Peter Cheung, Arafat Bouchafra, and me (Eirik Bakke) just had a Zoom video chat today, following up on this thread. The three of us are all software developers and long-time users of NetBeans.
Icon drawing project summary: * Peter's company has two designers who work with Photoshop and Illustrator, and he may be willing to allocate some of their time to continue the icon drawing process that is tracked in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 . Peter will communicate with the designers. * Eirik has shared with Peter an Illustrator template file containing the first 50 SVG icons and artboards/bitmap templates for the next ~167 icons to be prioritized (also attached to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 ). We did a screen sharing where Peter had a look at the file, layers, artboards etc. * Peter's designer will try to draw a small batch of ~10 icons in the Illustrator template. Then we'll discuss progress. Eirik can help turn this next batch of icons into a Pull Request, or walk Peter through how to do this. (Exporting the SVG files, adding license headers, copying SVGs into the right locations in the NetBeans repo etc.) Resources: * Style guide to be used for new SVG icons, consistent with earlier merged PRs: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 * List of artboards in the Illustrator file, and notes on each icon: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_pj-I3hk9Wj_7lvHcUDsZfFfBSyCkSGqBuv0qt_qXw/edit#gid=812179705 Other topics discussed: * Arafat proposed more ambitious changes to NetBeans' look & feel, and we exchanged ideas. Eirik mentioned the recent discussion thread that ended up making FlatLAF the default LAF on NetBeans. * Arafat also mentioned possible approaches to get support for animated icons. * Arafat inquired about whether there still exists a "NetBeans Certified Engineer Course". He has been teaching Computer Science courses himself. We looked at https://netbeans.apache.org/wiki/NetBeansCertifiedEngineerCourse.asciidoc , but this seems like an old page. * Eirik suggested sending out a separate email to dev@netbeans.apache.org to discuss bigger or more controversial ideas. (Since decision-making in the NetBeans project is based on open discussion on the mailing list and in GitHub Pull Requests, rather than in meetings or private sub-groups.) -- Eirik -----Original Message----- From: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2021 2:24 PM To: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk>; Peter Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com> Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Great! I sent invites to the people already in this thread. Merry Christmas! -- Eirik From: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2021 2:21 PM To: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com>; Peter Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com> Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Thanks, accepted your request. Merry Xmas too Thanks From Peter (System Architect, Quantr Limited https://www.quantr.hk , Mobile : 96554595) ________________________________ From: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2021 9:18 PM To: Peter Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com> Cc: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk>; dev@netbeans.apache.org <dev@netbeans.apache.org> Subject: RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted 10.00 (10am) UTC on Tue December 28 works. For anyone who'd like to join, please respond with your email address in this thread, and I can send you a Zoom meeting invite. -- Eirik From: Peter Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 6:02 PM To: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> Cc: pe...@quantr.hk; dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Dear Eirik Sorry late reply. Shall we do next tue 10 UTC ? thanks Thanks From Peter ________________________________ From: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 10:35 PM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <dev@netbeans.apache.org> Subject: RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted At the moment, anytime 10.00-22.00 UTC Tuesday or Wednesday would work, for instance. Just let me know which time slot you prefer. -- Eirik -----Original Message----- From: Peter Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 7:06 PM To: Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>; dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Dear Eirik May I know what time you ok for a net meeting next week? I ask my designers (Noel & Venus) to reserve time. It doesn't have to be hong kong day time, just any time that fit you is ok. Thanks Geertjan too Thanks From Peter ________________________________ From: Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 4:00 PM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <dev@netbeans.apache.org> Cc: mcheun...@hotmail.com <mcheun...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Great, progress! Yes, a report to this mailing list would be great to keep everyone informed. Gj On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 07:27, Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com<mailto:eba...@ultorg.com>> wrote: Sure! Are you in Hong Kong? This week I'm on US east coast time and could do an evening call (US time) later in the week. December 15th through January 7 I'll be on central Europe time. I can show the current workflow I've been using for vectorizing NetBeans icons so far, and give you an idea of the work involved. If others are interested in joining, feel free to chime in. (We can write a summary for the mailing list afterwards.) -- Eirik -----Original Message----- From: Peter Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com<mailto:mcheun...@hotmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 12:15 PM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org> Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Dear Eirik We have read the google sheet. Do you have time to have a zoom this week? So we can have a jump start 🙂 Thanks From Peter ________________________________ From: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com<mailto:eba...@ultorg.com>> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2021 1:11 AM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org> <dev@netbeans.apache.org<mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org>> Subject: RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Hi, Peter. Fantastic! I'm happy to join a chat--it would be good to include anyone else on this list who is interested as well. For actual decision-making, discussions should happen on the email list, so that everyone can follow along. But a Zoom meeting might be good for a quick overview. The style guide that was used for the first 50 icons is described on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 . The original discussion around this can be found at https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2387 . (If helpful, I could add some example images to the style guide and perhaps pull it out of the JIRA issue and into a separate Confluence page.) -- Eirik -----Original Message----- From: Peter Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com<mailto:mcheun...@hotmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 9:18 AM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org> Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Hi Eirik We definitely want to help out for the icons. What style you want? How about I line up our designers with you for a meeting? Thanks From Peter ________________________________ From: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com<mailto:eba...@ultorg.com>> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 1:50 AM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org> <dev@netbeans.apache.org<mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org>> Subject: RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Hi, Peter! There is one big theme-related task which is pending, which is to create new SVG versions of various bitmap icons in the IDE, for modern Retina/HiDPI screens. I did the first 50 (in Adobe Illustrator), and picked out the next ones to be prioritized, as you can see here: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/13026411/13026411_210604+Icons+Overview+Cropped.png https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_pj-I3hk9Wj_7lvHcUDsZfFfBSyCkSGqBuv0qt_qXw/edit#gid=812179705 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 If you are interested in helping with the icon drawling effort, I'd be happy to help coordinate. As for the Look & Feel, I think NetBeans will now be switching to FlatLAF as the default on all 3 operating systems (Windows, Linux, MacOS). I just transitioned my own NetBeans Platform application to FlatLAF, and it's a very good basis for making NetBeans look good in the future. It's also very configurable, so I think alternative themes can be implemented by means of configuring and improving FlatLAF, rather than by creating a completely new Swing LAF. -- Eirik -----Original Message----- From: Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net<mailto:christian.l...@gmx.net>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 11:31 AM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org> Subject: AW: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Hey Peter, great to have you on board already. We are discussing to add the Flat LaF as a default theme to NetBeans which is already implemented, but we need to switch to it. What I can say what we need is a designer for maybe new UI components. Some components in NetBeans can be combined into one for example Input + button to search for paths etc. Some other parts need a redesign and also proposals. So let us know, what you think to change in NetBeans and show us some examples and let us discuss about it 😊. Cheers Chris Von: Peter Cheung Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2021 04:38 An: dev@netbeans.apache.org<mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org> Betreff: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted Dear All My name is Peter, from Quantr Limited. I love Netbeans and have been developed few plugins for it. This proves my ambition in Netbeans. https://gitlab.com/quantr/toolchain/netbeans-verilog https://gitlab.com/mcheung63/netbeans-quick-outline https://gitlab.com/mcheung63/MavenRunner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDFkhrHxHMw Many people said VSCode and intelliJ looks fancier than Netbeans. We want to contribute our power to theme the netbeans, my company has two designers. Below are some of their artworks I have experience in java swing styling, I did developer a L&F ten years ago https://gitlab.com/mcheung63/peter-swing Netbeans is very complex piece of code, we want team members to 1. Guide us, instruct us 2. Comment the style 3. Help us when we meet trouble in code 4. 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