Hey all,
I'm Apache NetBeans user with WIndows 11 and sometimes I contribute so I
can also try to investigate. I sometimes and to say rarely that I can
reproduce this issue but the pain for me was not that high to say "I
need to do smth". If anyone needs help with Windows and NetBeans with
the copy and paste problematic, I'm really willing to help to identify
it after concrete (more or less) steps to reproduce.
I also tried the cut and ctrl+z but no problems with it.
Cheers
Chris
Am 29.08.2023 um 20:31 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga:
Here's the issue that awaits you when you move on from NetBeans:
https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-5980/
I.e., it's probably connected to Swing and a race condition with the clipboard.
Gj
On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 7:39 PM Kenneth Fogel
<kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca.invalid> wrote:
Thank you everyone for your comments. As someone working on Java in Education I
believe that this is a serious/critical issue. NetBeans is/was, in my opinion,
the best IDE in education. Many schools and students run Windows. Though
retired I have written a book and am now working on a project, creating
workshops. In both cases I used/use NetBeans. I can't say how much longer I
can. Having my train of thought interrupted when I do Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V only to
realize it did not work, again, is reaching the end of my patience. Then there
are the times I lose code because I forgot to restore (Ctrl-Z) it after pasting
it in my text.. I have more work lined up but I'm not sure that I can continue
with NetBeans.
I fully appreciate that complaining about Open Source is frowned on. I should
just download the code and find/fix the problem myself. What I do not have are
the days and possibly weeks to understand how NetBeans interacts with the
clipboard to identify the problem. Is there a time when a code base becomes so
large that the potential for side effects from changes in other parts of the
code base becomes near impossible to determine without a full-time staff. Heck,
I came across Eclipse posting a paid job to deal with enhancements to Eclipse.
Ken
PS: Funny Eclipse story. I began teaching using first JDeveloper and then
Eclipse. In the late 2000s Eclipse was problematic hence the eventual move to
NetBeans in my courses. In most cases the students needed to shutdown Eclipse
and restart it. I just played with the recent version of Eclipse and what did I
find? It's a menu selection that restarts Eclipse. I guess if you can't fix it
then give it a switch to turn it off and then on again in a single click. Doing
this in NetBeans buys me between 10 and 30 minutes of working copy/paste.
PPS: It never fails if I Cut. Is this not a significant clue?
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Fogel <kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca.INVALID>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 6:50 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Windows 11 Issues - Copy/Paste Failure
Hi,
I have mentioned this before, but the situation is getting worse. More often
than not, I must cut the text, paste the text into the external app such as
Word, and then restore (Ctrl-Z) the cut text back into NetBeans. This week it
started to require this just when I want to copy and paste text between tabs in
NetBeans. My uninformed guess is an issue in how NetBeans responds to the Copy
command, somehow losing its connection to the Windows clipboard that does not
happen if Cut is used.
But wait, there is more. It has become hit or miss to copy from another
application into NetBeans.
I can get a temporary reprieve by closing and then restarting NetBeans.
I do have a question. How many people actively working on NetBeans do this in a
Windows rather than Linux or MacOS operating system? I can say that this
problem is unique to NetBeans in my Windows 11 environment and has not occurred
in any other application or IDE that I have used. I don't think I can file a
JIRA ticket because I cannot provide a repeatable example.
Here is my environment from the About box:
Product Version: Apache NetBeans IDE 18
Java: 17.0.7; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 17.0.7+7
Runtime: OpenJDK Runtime Environment 17.0.7+7
System: Windows 11 version 10.0 running on amd64; Cp1252; en_CA (nb)
User directory: C:\Users\omni_\AppData\Roaming\NetBeans\18
Cache directory: C:\Users\omni_\AppData\Local\NetBeans\Cache\18
Ken Fogel
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