Note that the Apache link is about trademarks. It makes no difference if
it's a convenience binary if the trademark is being (mis)used. It could
just be the name or logo.

--emi

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 16:32, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:44 PM Jan Lahoda <lah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...Frankly, I wonder if there's a chance to allow some "good" uses, like
> "X
> > with Apache NetBeans N" or a "Bundle of X and Apache NetBeans N",
> provided
> > some basic conditions are met,...
>
> Of course that's possible, as Geertjan says the NetBeans (P)PMC just needs
> to clarify how things have to be named, to avoid confusion and especially
> as you say make it crystal clear what comes from Apache NetBeans and what
> does not.
>
> > ...this would
> > be distributing an official release of NetBeans, just packed together
> with
> > something else....
>
> If it's binaries then no, it is not distributing an official release
> because releases consist only of source code.
>
> It's redistributing a convenience binary...I think we need to clarify at
> the Apache level this difference, I recently proposed a two-level view on
> releases and convenience binaries [1] which has not made its way to our
> official docs yet but should help understand.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> [1]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/01a64394c3996406d98904256ebdd46667bf73947983722e7ab57f50@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>
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--emi

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