Well, if you put out a poll with a question like "do you want lots of chocolate", "or only a little bit of chocolate", "or no chocolate at all", you're most likely to get most respondents saying "yes, I want lots of chocolate", even though they may actually need only a little bit and never end up having more than a little bit.
So, yes, I hate polls. :-) But it's great to have done this research regardless and it says something, though it's never clear what exactly. Gj On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:40 PM Boris Heithecker <boris.heithec...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > That's interesting. So there is a need for a multilingual IDE. I didn't > expect it, but it shows the direction where we could move once the donated > files are integrated. > Completing and maintaining localisation support for the whole IDE means > more work for the entire community. > Would be interesting to know which languages are particularly desired. > Regards, > Boris > > > Junichi Yamamoto <junichi0...@gmail.com> schrieb am Di., 26. März 2019, > 01:46: > > > Hi, > > > > FYI: > > I asked the community whether translations are needed on twitter. The > > results(90 votes) are the following: > > Q. Do you need translations? > > A1. Yes (Whole IDE) 41% > > A2. Yes (Only platform) 10% > > A3. No 49% > > https://twitter.com/junichi_11/status/1109250341634084864 > > > > So it seems that the community prefers translations for the whole IDE. > > > > Thanks, > > Junichi > > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:59 PM Boris Heithecker > > <boris.heithec...@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > > I'd like to see the l10n files from the donation in the new repo for a > > > first thing to be done. Next thing could be rewriting the scripts, but > it > > > depends on how the the bundles are going to be used. > > > I need them for a platform application which now still runs on 8.2 but > > > should be ported to 10 or 11 in the near future. So I'd like to either > > have > > > a script to integrate a specific locale into an existing target > platform, > > > or have the specific binaries ready for use. > > > But that's for a platform application, which uses only a small part for > > the > > > whole IDE. > > > I don't know if anybody wants, or needs, multilingual IDE. That would > be > > > one question to discuss. The point ise not only how to distribute. > > Another > > > point is the completeness of the bundles. As far as I know, in the > early > > > days there were 3 officially supported languages (Brazilian Portuguese, > > > Japanese, Russian, and Simplified Chinese) and more community > contributed > > > bundles. The latter are less complete, but I'm not sure. Distributing > > > multilingual binaries of the IDE means keeping the translations up to > > date > > > and that's a lot of never ending work for lots of native speakers. > > > Boris > > > > > > Am Mo., 18. März 2019 um 05:43 Uhr schrieb Jaroslav Tulach < > > > jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > Hello Boris, > > > > thanks for tackling this issue. > > > > > > > > Dne sobota 16. března 2019 15:18:20 CET, Boris Heithecker napsal(a): > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > I'm preparing a pull request now for the localisation bundles from > > the > > > > 3rd > > > > > donation. I've made only slight changes to build.xml found in the > > folder. > > > > > A once-existing build target for the multilingual edition has > > obviously > > > > > been discarded as long ago as in NetBeans 7.2, > > > > > > > > The L10N stuff would certainly need more love. It was an > afterthought, > > > > mostly > > > > ignored (not needed) by developers of NetBeans. As such the scripts > > could > > > > get > > > > out of sync. For example the NetBeans 10 restructured its sources to > > per > > > > cluster layout - that may also influence the L10N stuff a lot and > > nobody > > > > (certainly not me) was thinking of the impact on L10N bits. > > > > > > > > > but there are work-arounds > > > > > to create a localised IDE, or localise a platform app. It mostly > > > > involves > > > > > manually copying and zipping, so it's simple. > > > > > > > > The goal should be to press F11 (type ant build) somewhere and have > the > > > > changed JAR copied to the appropriate place. So, subsequent "ant > tryme" > > > > uses > > > > the changes. > > > > > > > > > Everything else is critical > > > > > because it means interfering with the existing build tasks of the > > whole > > > > > platform. > > > > > > > > > > If desired, I'm ready write a short instruction on how the > > localisation > > > > > bundles can be used with the current sources. > > > > > > > > PR is #1 thing. Instructions #2. Then the discussion can start. > > > > > > > > From what I hear it seems we want to merge the L10N files into the > main > > > > repository. Where? l10n subfolder? > > > > > > > > How do we want to build the localized bits? How do we want to > > distribute > > > > them? > > > > All the translations will be included in the source release. Should > > they > > > > all > > > > be included in the binary release? Should they be only available as > > NBMs, > > > > so > > > > users can download just L10N for their locale? > > > > > > > > Good luck getting Apache NetBeans L10Ned! > > > > -jt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Fr., 15. März 2019 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Joerg Michelberger < > > > > > > > > > > j.michelber...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > Hi Boris, > > > > > > > > > > > > great to hear something about the localization stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > For license changes there is a NB plugin > > > > > > http://plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/17960/license-changer > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have the need for at least german localization for my NB > app > > > > and i > > > > > > can also test the bundles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Joerg > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Fr., 15. März 2019 um 11:37 Uhr schrieb Geertjan Wielenga > > > > > > > > > > > > <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid>: > > > > > > > Excellent work. Best is to fork this and provide a PR with the > > > > bundles > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > other changes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > License header changes could be done after that (or before, > your > > > > call) > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-tools/tree/master/convert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 11:15 AM Boris Heithecker < > > > > > > > boris.heithec...@gmx.net> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I was able to start a localized (german) version of NetBeans > 10 > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current binaries available at netbeans.apache.org and the > > > > localisation > > > > > > > > extension build from the (slightly adapted) 3rd donation > files > > and > > > > a > > > > > > > > current clone from the GitHub repo. It works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me, or give me a link on how to proceed further > to > > > > > > > > > > > > integrate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bundles into the repo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The license headers of some 120000 files need to be > replaced. I > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hearing about an automatation mechanism to do that. Is there > > any > > > > > > > > documentation available? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Do., 14. März 2019 um 09:15 Uhr schrieb Geertjan Wielenga > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>: > > > > > > > > > Yes, that link is the one to use, provides the translation > > > > bundles, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:16 AM Emilian Bold < > > > > emilian.b...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://bits.netbeans.org/download/apache-donation/ApacheNetBeansDonation3. > > > > > > zip> > > > > > > > > >> I'm sure there's a corresponding URL on Apache infra but I > > can't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Boris Heithecker > > > > > > > > > Dr. Boris Heithecker > > > Lüneburger Str. 30 > > > 28870 Ottersberg > > > Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 > > > Mobil: +49 170 6137015 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > >
