Sebastien, If all the discussions that happens on github start to happen here, this mailing list will be just like the nuttx-commits mailing list.
So, your point is a catch 22! (dilemma)... You are against using github and against have a mailing list with huge email messages. Also you cannot complain that more than 90% of commits are coming from Xiaomi. And the only reason that many PRs are approved and merged by Xiaomi people is because we don't have enough reviewers to help. So, instead complain that the route is going to wrong direction, start to help to construct the route, simple like that! Also, what you can do as a NuttX advocate is ask the semiconductor company used on your project to support NuttX. If they don't agree, move for some semiconductor company that are contributing to NuttX (Espressif, Sony, NXP, etc). BR, Alan On 3/8/23, Sebastien Lorquet <sebast...@lorquet.fr> wrote: > I dont think your point of view is very realistic. You seem to be > turning the situation into something that pleases you but is not really > compatible with what can be observed from outside. > > In the archive for 2023 there are 2035 topics, I just overlooked more > than 600 of them and ALL of them are just copies of github messages. And > this is normal, because this is unusable. > > Also, I cannot actively review ALL the hundreds of pull requests that > are regularly sent by large companies. > > I am primarily a user, that sometimes sends small contributions. > > And I am unhappy when I see that other people were careless with nice > code and do whatever they want for their own agenda without any > consideration for other users. > > To be honest I dont fully understand why SO MANY changes are required to > core OS features that should be stable. > > There need to be some triage when a new pull request is sent, its > severity evaluated by someone who is NOT in the company of the original > contributor, and if severe, it has to be approved on the mailing list. I > cannot do that alone, even if I try. > > At this point do you realize that more than !~90ish% of changes seem to > come from xiaomi developers and most of these are approved by xiaoxiang > alone? > > Because this HAS to be said. They send overwhelming numbers > contributions that cannot be possibly understood as a whole, there is no > clear agenda, they add whatever they like with no roadmap and no review > from other users that may have other uses. > > This has to be under control somehow. I believe even you Alan are not > aware of the amount of code that enters nuttx. No one can be now. > > Sebastien > > > Le 08/03/2023 à 14:39, Alan C. Assis a écrit : >> Hi Sebastien, >> >> Yes, that commit list is mostly for people who don't want to use >> github but still wanting to see what is going on. >> >> Sometimes when a very important PR raises some concern on GitHub PR, >> people post their concern he, it already happened many times. >> >> But again: the best way to guarantee that current changes please you >> is to keep actively reviewing the PRs and contributing to the project. >> >> BR, >> >> Alan >> >> On 3/8/23, Sebastien Lorquet <sebast...@lorquet.fr> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I had a look and this mailing list is not made for human consumption. >>> >>> No one has ever sent a message on it manually, right? >>> >>> In practice, important changes are still NOT discussed on the DEV >>> mailing list. >>> >>> You said yourself that "all development has moved to github". >>> >>> As soon as automated tests are passed, every commit is considered with a >>> similar level of importance, however this is clearly not the case. >>> >>> Sebastien >>> >>> Le 08/03/2023 à 13:21, Alan C. Assis a écrit : >>>> HI Sebastien, >>>> >>>> It is already done, you just need to subscribe to >>>> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?comm...@nuttx.apache.org to receive >>>> all commits messages and discussions. >>>> >>>> Everything is archived on apache side! >>>> >>>> BR, >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> On 3/8/23, Sebastien Lorquet <sebast...@lorquet.fr> wrote: >>>>> Apache projects are required to use mailing lists for long term >>>>> archival >>>>> purposes. >>>>> >>>>> It seems to me that this project is avoiding that rule and moved all >>>>> development to github >>>>> >>>>> This is in contradiction with the Apache project rules. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I request clarification on this situation and requirement (instead of >>>>> just asserting it), including a review by the apache boards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If it is proved that development happens primarily in github and not >>>>> here I will request the following: >>>>> >>>>> -every people committing patches and submitting pull request to be >>>>> registered on the mailing list so they are able to reply to questions >>>>> >>>>> -forwarding of all pull requests traffic to the mailing list >>>>> >>>>> For two reasons: (1) Archival purposes, and (2) open discussions with >>>>> members that follow Apache Foundation mailing list rules and do not >>>>> take >>>>> part in github. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> >>>>> Sebastien >>>>> >>>>> >
