Hi Ok, Chris, now you've confused me.
I don't have a problem understanding that collaborative efforts co- mingled outside of "Apache Assigned" jira issues could have severe issues, but it seems to me that collaboration is currently possible via the inefficient jira patch process. Isn't it completely appropriate for Collaborator A, say Phani to make an "Apache Assigned" contribution in jira which Collaborator B improves and again assigns it to Apache in an updated patch? This still has all of the challenges I've mentioned before, - One collaborator at a time. - A quickly disappearing svn code state that the patch was created against. - inefficient and often chaotic patch handling. - likelihood of losing the work to history - lost opportunity to create strong community with more active energized contributors. - duplication of effort as more than one developer independently work on features. etc. If this jira patch process is legal, then I think we're at the point of beating a dead horse, but hopefully with the wheels of change in motion. Daniel On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 08:28 -0800, Chris Howe wrote: > Tim, > I do agree that there is a protocol in place, but I do not agree that > everyone is following it. Those that seem the most opposed to a > discussion about a sandbox are the ones that keep pumping out the joint > works. From my limited understanding, this does not appear to be a > legal format to license under open source without exposing the > contributor to partnership liability and the exposing the community > with the task of rooting out the offending code. > > I gave you a list of 10 environments that are complex enough and > require > more than incremental changes. Tabling this discussion will continue to > lose many of the valuable contributions of the community (Like Phani's > work on Google Checkout integration). > > In addition, continuing to table this discussion will increase the > likelihood that offending code makes its way into the project. If > someone makes a stink about it, my understanding is that the remedy is > for the ASF and anyone using Apache OFBiz to cease and desist until the > offending code is removed. If a business is running off Apache OFBiz, > how much will it cost them to cease and desist? If they choose not to > C & D, how much will it cost them to defend against a copyright > infringement claim? > > If my legal understanding is incorrect, someone please post the > question to legal-discuss and get a real lawyer's opinion. If there is > no real risk in these joint works being added to the project, address > it as such. > > Regards, > Chris > > --- Tim Ruppert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Can we all agree on the fact that there is a protocol in place, that > > > > if followed, allows everyone the ability to pass code around in a > > legal format? This may or may not be the most optimal format for > > said collaboration, but it does permit us to contribute back to the > > community in a meaningful way. > > > > Let's table this sandbox discussion until we find a movement complex > > > > enough that it requires something more than incremental changes to be > > > > made to the trunk before we can agree to include it. Does that sound > > > > reasonable? Once there is an idea to build something that cannot > > follow this incremental pattern, we can evaluate where we are in > > terms of resources and determine the best course of action to follow. > > > > Cheers, > > Tim > > -- > > Tim Ruppert > > HotWax Media > > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > > > o:801.649.6594 > > f:801.649.6595 > > -- Daniel *-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*- Have a GREAT Day! Daniel Kunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] BioWaves, LLC http://www.BioWaves.com 14150 NE 20th St. Suite F1 Bellevue, WA 98007 800-734-3588 425-895-0050 http://www.Apartment-Pets.com http://www.Illusion-Optical.com http://www.Card-Offer.com http://www.RackWine.com http://www.JokesBlonde.com http://www.Brain-Fun.com *-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-
