> Whatever the case, I stated the lie and then said it was such, I wasn't
> quoting from anyone, though I think the reply was to Jonathon and we
> have a nice long history and being harsh with each other (again ;) ).
Discussions! Those were discussions! We need brutally honest discussions. That, or we can dance
around in misunderstanding for years. I like drawing bee-lines towards absolutely clear
understanding (even if it means being stung big time), but that's just me.
> It's great to have you around Jonathon, you bring up lots of good issues
> in these little high level threads.
:) Not so great to have me around when I'm being slave-driven by a difficult employer, with no
room to stretch my legs and creativity.
Very OT here. Seems money and pride motives are strong divisive factors. We need more love going
around in the world. :) I'll stop short of discussing religion here.
Perhaps some day, none of us will need to work for a living. I believe that may drastically raise
productivity (and love)?
Jonathon
David E Jones wrote:
Ean Schuessler wrote:
On Tuesday 11 September 2007 03:22:24 am David E Jones wrote:
Ummm... not sure where this idea came from...
Neither "David" nor "Undersun" (now part of Hotwax Media) nor any other
person or organization are some central source of resources or driving
force for the project. OFBiz is overseen by a PMC (project management
committee) but everything that goes into OFBiz is contributed by users.
So no, this would never work. There is no central organization to pull
stuff into the project, just users to push stuff into the project.
That's
the WHOLE point of a community driven project that facilitates
collaboration.
Of course, this is also impossible with current forks like opentaps and
Neogia because they specifically structure their licensing and copyright
ownership so that it is impossible to bring the contributions back into
OFBiz.
[snip]
I don't think people understand just how incorrect and harmful to the
project this sort of thought is. If it isn't community driven people and
organizations won't be as interested in contributing and the whole
project
will fall apart. It's a vicious and damaging lie! For anyone thinking
this
please check your facts and motives!
Don't be so defensive! There is a big difference between a vicious lie
and a widespread misconception. Hotwax has more committers than anyone
else so its easy to see why people might think something like this. If
I was a dangerously motivated liar I would do more than simply state
the obvious!
Anyway, my main point was about the benefit of using a more modern and
distributed source management system for things that aren't ready to
go into SVN. Brainfood would rather make extensive changes to our
local repository and pool them up into change sets that go to
mainstream. Repeated merges where portions have been partially applied
in multiple paths of development isn't a workflow that is well
supported by SVN but is easy (or way easier, anyway) under GIT and
Mercurial.
ps. Check your facts and motives before calling someone a vicious,
damaging liar.
Now who's being defensive? ;) And what I wrote wasn't even a reply to
your email...
Whatever the case, I stated the lie and then said it was such, I wasn't
quoting from anyone, though I think the reply was to Jonathon and we
have a nice long history and being harsh with each other (again ;) ).
It's great to have you around Jonathon, you bring up lots of good issues
in these little high level threads.
There is some good stuff in what you're saying Ean, and I totally agree
that different people and organizations will find different ways of
collaborating with the community that works best for them. I'm just
trying to describe and encourage (like in the contributors best
practices page) the ones that seem to result in the most contributions
coming into the project AND the most benefit and feedback going back to
the contributor.
My perception is definitely limited though, and I know it very well, so
for whatever anyone is doing if it's working well for you then there's
no reason to change. If it's not working so well then I invite people to
take a look at stuff that will help them, but that may not seem so
obvious, and may in fact seem like a waste of time, and that is trying
to get as much as possible into the open source project and
collaborating with others in the community as you do so (well, that's
the short/simple version, more verbose in the contributors best
practices page).
-David
