> I still maintain that there is no such thing as too much documentation
> (unless it's bad).
I'm ok with that. I don't have a war machine behind a banner called "death to redundant
documentation". :) I don't have war machines at all.
You just gave me an important tip. Is it true that a book on "OFBiz: business application guide"
will be more useful than "OFBiz: a framework guide"?
The former is incredibly vast.
It seems you agreed with the fact that OFBiz projects need at least one OFBiz expert who knows all
of OFBiz the business application. May work even if he doesn't know the framework stuff.
Jonathon
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Jonathon
I still maintain that there is no such thing as too much documentation
(unless it's bad). I have hundreds of books that refer to regularly so I
don't have to remember details I us only infrequently.
I initially was going to put a screen designer with me on the current
project to write the widget and ftl code because I don't have the
imagination to be able to know a good UI screen before I see it working and
others with us do. Sadly, that did not work because I spent so much time
hunting down answers to questions like "what does this field do?" that I
couldn't get any work done.
Such a shame too because these excellent UI designers are typically poor
programmers.
Skip
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From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 3:40 AM
To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: svn commit: r597479 -
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Skip,
Well, not yet. About 10 months ago, I proudly voiced an ambition to create
enough documentation to
rapidly train a whole bunch of OFBiz-capable developers or engineers. I'm
not there yet.
Frankly, I don't know if publishing a comprehensive "Guide to OFBiz" will
help or hurt the
project. Actually, I think I don't know much at all.
We'll see next year if I'm a boon or a bane. Oh well.
Here, please pardon my terminology again, I don't know how else to say this.
(This has irritated
David before). There are 2 parts to OFBiz. The framework, and the ERP
aspects. The framework is
huge, but is really tiny compared to the ERP aspects in OFBiz that works
OOTB. It should be
possible to have an army of developers who only know the framework aspects
of OFBiz, assign a
single OFBiz expert (who knows *all* of OFBiz), and produce great software.
Not yet. Not yet...
Jonathon
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David
On this knowledge/experience point, I was talking about teams of people.
You have one (or more) team leader with a full grasp of the concepts and
others who write code under their direction. I do not think a single
person
could attempt Ofbiz without a full understanding of the issues. In this
team environment, the majority of the contributors only need knowledge of
their specific area.
I would bet a dollar to a donut that this team implementation is happening
now in many instances with some of the members not having a full grasp of
the business or database aspects.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: David E Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:47 PM
To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: svn commit: r597479 -
/ofbiz/trunk/applications/party/entitydef/entitymodel.xml
I hope I don't burst any bubbles... but this specific paragraph has a
couple of real doosies (IMO of course):
On Nov 22, 2007, at 10:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was also trying to point out that "obvious" is always relative to
experience and education.
To some extend, yes, but I think you gave examples of where this is
not the case. The real point of this was the informational content, ie
the lack of redundancy and other information theory 101 types of
things (well, that certainly wasn't a 101 class when I took it, but
this part of it is a basic concept).
I promise you that over the life of Ofbiz
(assuming that it becomes as successful as I think it will), the
majority of
those who write code for it will have zero business experience and
little to
no database experience.
This may very well be the case, of course all such people are welcome
in the OFBiz world. However (and this might be the big bubble bursting
part...), if such people think they can contribute over a reasonable
scope and period of time they will HAVE to learn about such things.
These are things that are not made up in OFBiz, but rather things in
the world that OFBiz uses (ie OFBiz is a consumer or carrier of the
concepts not the producer).
I'm guessing you get this and the above was just a partial thought...
if so forgive me for taking your thought and walking with it for a bit.
-David
