Thanks for sharing your thoughts Raj, the more input the better. Being better able to define flexible website/ecommerce content would be a big win for sure. Are you saying you would prefer to see the current Content/CMS model improved rather than replacing it with the likes of a JCR repository?
Regards Scott On 10/07/2010, at 11:23 PM, Raj Saini wrote: > I have been experimenting with few of the CMS and as you said, they really do > not fit into the OFBiz. > > I am not sure what are the thoughts of others. What I have in mind is a web > CMS system for OFBiz which is used to create site structure and then fill the > contents either with static pages and the dynamic fragments such as > product-summary, side-deep categories, product details etc. This kind of > system will allow building of web site dynamically from predefined web > fragments. I think best thing for this type of system will be to > extend/modify or redo the current CMS. > > Regards, > > Raj > > On 10/07/10 14:28, Scott Gray wrote: >> The plan here is to get to know jackrabbit and content repositories in >> general, well at least that is my goal. >> >> I'm not entirely convinced that a third party CMS will meet the full needs >> of an ERP system without extensive customization. I want to better >> understand the underlying repository so that I can better understand what a >> third party CMS is actually bringing to the table. >> >> For example Hippo's UI uses wicket, do I really want to have to deal with >> learning how to use that? How big will that hurdle be compared to just >> duplicating the functionality using our own tools? What happens when I >> don't want my users to have to go to a different web app just to manage some >> content? >> >> But regardless, any higher level tools we create in OFBiz for accessing a >> JCR repo should be reusable irrespective of the CMS approach that we take. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 10/07/2010, at 8:47 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: >> >> >>> Cool. >>> >>> One quick question: if we wanna adopt a CMS on top of jackrabbit, which one >>> you think is the best for this branch? I think we have select one, then >>> people can focus on that to verify the whole idea. But of course, we can >>> make it flexible enough to adopt other CMS in the future. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Michael Xu (xudong) >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Scott >>> Gray<scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com>wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Branch is created and can be checked out from here: >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/jackrabbit20100709 >>>> >>>> I've committed a quick and dirty container for an embedded jackrabbit repo >>>> so that we can go about accessing it straight away but much still needs to >>>> be done at a low level. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 9/07/2010, at 7:06 PM, Sascha Rodekamp wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jep Scott after you created the branch we maybe can split the tasks and >>>>> >>>> plan >>>> >>>>> the next steps. >>>>> >>>>> 2010/7/8 Scott Gray<scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Okay well cool, I'll go ahead and create a branch at some point, I know >>>>>> Sascha has expressed interest as well so we may as well get the ball >>>>>> rolling. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/07/2010, at 11:54 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> My spare time is very limited too, but I would be willing to help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/8/10, Scott Gray<scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Scott Gray<scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hippo CMS >>>>>>>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org >>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 12:04 AM >>>>>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Personally, I wouldn't do anymore than the most basic CMS >>>>>>>> work with the existing OFBiz component, but maybe I'm biased >>>>>>>> because I want to see it replaced :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In regards to working together, my spare time is pretty >>>>>>>> limited so I doubt that I'll be working very fast and >>>>>>>> probably nowhere near fast enough for your needs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If people are interested in helping out with my POC then we >>>>>>>> can always consider creating a jackrabbit branch in the >>>>>>>> OFBiz repo that people can use to collaborate. The >>>>>>>> main reason I'm looking at a direct Jackrabbit integration >>>>>>>> is simply for learning purposes and to get a better >>>>>>>> understanding of what the best long term approach will be, >>>>>>>> there is every chance that it would never get merged back >>>>>>>> into the trunk if we later decide to take a different >>>>>>>> route. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/07/2010, at 6:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hi Scott, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are customizing ofbiz for a customer here in China. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Party, Order, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Agreement, AP/AR, Birt, Catalog are in the current >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> scope and we feel very >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> comfortable with the flexibility offered by ofbiz. Now >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> customer needs CMS. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However, current CMS component is not that ready in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ofbiz. We are evaluating >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> which way to go: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) enhance current ofbiz CMS component >>>>>>>>> 2) embed a 3-party CMS as a component >>>>>>>>> 3) integrate with a standalone 3-party CMS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Option 1 seems very risky, as we have to re-invent the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CMS wheel; Option 3 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> seems also very risky, as there are many integration >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> points, like >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> user/permission, etc. Now I tend to using option 2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> just like what you are >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> doing. Maybe we can work together on this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Scott Gray< >>>>>>>>> >>>> scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com >>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The idea was to add hippo as a component and use >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> their webapp as an interim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> CMS while we build out similar functionality in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OFBiz. OFBiz would use the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JCR API to interact with the underlying >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> repository. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In terms of progress... none. In my spare >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> time I'll be playing around with >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> a jackrabbit integration for OFBiz and reading all >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the articles I can find. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I feel like I need to better understand the JCR >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and content models in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> general before doing anything concrete. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 8/07/2010, at 5:27 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Integrating" here means to put Hippo as a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ofbiz component or let it as a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> standalone application but integrating over >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> data/service layer? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Xu (xudong) >>>>>>>>>>> www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 0135 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Brett Palmer >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <brettgpal...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Scott, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea of integrating with >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> existing CMS applications. When we >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> talking about hippo what of their various >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> products are we considering >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hippo CMS7 >>>>>>>>>>>> Hippo Repository 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> Hippo Site Toolkit 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>> Hippo Portal 2.0 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> from www.onehippo.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brett >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Scott >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gray<scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody using or considered using >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hippo CMS (onehippo.org) in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> conjunction >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with OFBiz? >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache Licensed >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Uses Jackrabbit as its repository >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Supports Versioning, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Internationalization, Publishing Workflows and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We could start out by using Hippo's UI >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to manage content and retrieve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for display within OFBiz using the JCR >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> API. As the various document >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> types >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed by the OFBiz base applications >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> begin to take shape we could look >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ways to allow the content to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> modified directly from within OFBiz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (once >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> again using the JCR API). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts, alternatives, ideas or >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> whatever would be appreciated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> considering working on a POC in my >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> spare time, not sure how long that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> take at this stage. I already >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> have a copy of Hippo running inside >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that was just a matter of expanding >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> their WAR distribution and wrapping >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in a component, next step would be >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> gaining access to the repo from >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> code. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>> http://www.lynx.de >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >
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