Comments inline.
On Tue, 07 May 2013 21:02:21 +0530, Adrian Crum
<adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
I understand what you are proposing. So, let me try this again...
HTML cleanups are fine. Updating the markup to HTML 5 is fine. That sort
of overhaul has been done before and it is always welcome.
What we are discussing here is introducing an outside styling framework
for the eCommerce application. I question the need for the framework
because most businesses don't use the eCommerce application out of the
box. In other words, we would be investing a lot of time and effort into
something that a lot of businesses will just throw away.
As Christian pointed out, it would be nice to have a better looking
eCommerce demonstration, and I agree. But again, I think that can be
done with consistent and concise markup - coupled with some good styling.
It can be. But the framework helps in defining "consistent and concise
markup". Why reinvent?
I'm not opposed to the external framework idea, I just question the need
for it.
-Adrian
On 5/7/2013 4:21 PM, Jonatan Soto wrote:
Hi Adrian,
Thanks a lot for your input.
I agree with you that OFBiz is not an eCommerce platform and also that
the
current themes are there for demonstration but that doesn't change the
fact
that it needs a complete rework. So what I'm referring to is more about
to
adapt all of the ftls and screen definitions using one of the fancy
HTML5
frameworks available rather a cleanup.
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Adrian Crum <
adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
I agree in principle with this reply. Very few shops use the OFBiz
eCommerce front-end - it wasn't intended to be used as-is, instead its
there for demonstration purposes.
Each business will have a preference for styling their site, so
choosing
one theme over all others seems presumptuous.
As I mentioned in the Jira issue, HTML cleanups are always welcome.
Consistent and concise markup makes it easier to design themes - and
from
my perspective that provides the most benefit to OFBiz developers.
-Adrian
On 5/7/2013 2:49 PM, Richard Siddall wrote:
Jonatan Soto wrote:
Would be anyone interested in convert the existing frontend themes
into
Bootstrap
http://twitter.github.io/**bootstrap/<http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/>
?
The idea is to create a theme from scratch that will replace the
current
default and multiplex themes.
[snip]
While I think having more modern front-end themes would be great, let
me
play devil's advocate...
Why Bootstrap?
Why not Zurb Foundation (http://foundation.zurb.com/), HTML5
Boilerplate
(http://html5boilerplate.com/) or some other starting point? Or as
Scott Kellum argued on the Compass list (on January 8), use a
combination
of components such as Susy, Sassy-buttons, Color-Schemer, and
Modular-Scale.
Bootstrap is an easy way of getting a lot of functionality, but it's
arguable overused. It's fast becoming to HTML5 frameworks what Times
Roman
is to web fonts. If you want your web shop to look like everyone
else's
web shop, it's a great choice. If you want to differentiate yourself
in
the market, use something else.
Plus, many Bootstrap-based themes just throw the whole bloated
framework
at the browser, regardless of which pieces they use, slowing page
loads and
wasting mobile bandwidth allocations. But Bootstrap is built on
LESS, so
you can choose which chunks of CSS and JavaScript should be included
in
your site's copy of Bootstrap, as well as using variables and mixins
to get
more consistent CSS styling.
LESS is based on JavaScript, which practically requires you to install
Node.js to use it. Zurb Foundation is based on SASS, which is
written in
Ruby. It looks like SASS will run on JRuby on the JVM.
To summarize:
- Bootstrap is just one of several great HTML5 frameworks
- You can get the same effects using straight CSS3 and JavaScript, or
smaller projects for areas like responsive design, button styling,
text
spacing, etc.
- Bootstrap is overused
- Bootstrap is frequently ineptly used, penalizing the end user
- A major reason to use Bootstrap is to use LESS and other languages
that
abstract CSS and JavaScript
- Bootstrap may not be the best framework for a Java-based project
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Richard Siddall
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