Adrian, Innovation, for sure, is not impossible in this community. Only in a subset of it.
It would be a loss for this community if you would do it elsewhere. Like it is a loss that David took his elsewhere. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Adrian Crum < adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote: > In the original discussion, David provided a very nice description of why > a rewrite is necessary. There seemed to be some support for it at the time, > but looking back, it appears I was the only one who supported the idea. > > Therefore, I have to come to the same conclusion David did: Innovation is > impossible in this community, so it needs to be done somewhere else. > > > Adrian Crum > Sandglass Software > www.sandglass-software.com > > On 1/21/2014 8:01 AM, Scott Gray wrote: > >> Moqui copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them. >>> >> >> You'd probably need to go into more detail on that, if I'm not mistaken >> Moqui's intention was to do the opposite. >> >> Personally I don't think you're going to get much support for a full >> framework rewrite, initially at least, because you're describing >> potentially years of effort using a short wiki document. When there's >> something more tangible to digest then at least there would be something to >> discuss. I'd suggest some sort of proof of concept in github or some >> design/api documentation before creating a branch, you need more support >> before undertaking it within this project IMO. I don't agree with the >> premise that the framework needs to be completely rewritten, at least not >> until there's a solid discussion about the actual issues that need to be >> fixed. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 19/01/2014, at 1:27 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> >> Using Moqui was suggested in the links I posted, but no one has done >>> anything about it. >>> >>> Like I said, "The goal would be to start over from scratch - using sound >>> design principles and the lessons learned from the current code." Moqui >>> copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them. >>> >>> >>> Adrian Crum >>> Sandglass Software >>> www.sandglass-software.com >>> >>> On 1/18/2014 8:26 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: >>> >>>> Adrian, >>>> >>>> My position is that OFBiz will probably last another 10-20 years and i >>>> am not in favor of big changes in the OFBiz framework and certainly are >>>> against replacing it unless it is Moqui. When i think the Moqui >>>> framework is ready to take over, we will slowly move GrowERP and our >>>> customers using OFBiz to using Moqui. >>>> >>>> I think it would be really a pity if you start your own framework, I >>>> would suggest to work together with David and join forces. Getting a new >>>> framework into the market will be really hard work and competing with >>>> Moqui you sure will get a difficult time. We from AntWebsystems >>>> certainly will help in the Mantle/Moqui development in the next few >>>> years >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Hans >>>> >>>> On 19/01/14 04:11, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>> >>>>> Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz >>>>> framework: >>>>> >>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203. >>>>> mbox/%3c4f4f51da.50...@sandglass-software.com%3E >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework: >>>>> >>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203. >>>>> mbox/%3c4f617965.4010...@me.com%3E >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Since those discussions, progress has been made in rewriting bits and >>>>> pieces of the framework, but no one has tackled replacing the >>>>> framework entirely. I am ready to begin that effort. >>>>> >>>>> My preference would be to create a branch and start building things >>>>> out there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over >>>>> from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned >>>>> from the current code. >>>>> >>>>> If there is support for this effort, then I can begin working on it in >>>>> February. If not, then I will most likely start a separate project - >>>>> similar to the approach taken by Moqui. >>>>> >>>>> I created a design document: >>>>> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/ >>>>> Another+Framework+Vision >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is in the draft stage. Comments and suggestions are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>
