Everyone? So far we only have Jacques. Well and you I guess, but that's debatable considering you only just decided yesterday to form a strong opinion so I have my doubts about it having a negative impact for you.
Regards Scott On 15/09/2014, at 10:14 pm, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why *force* EVERYONE not to have an error log OOTB? Why *force* EVERYONE to > spend time and money to get it back in? > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Adrian Crum < > adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote: > >> Jacques, >> >> That perspective goes both ways. From my perspective, you are trying >> *force* everyone to do things your way. >> >> That is why everyone is trying to get you to realize that a >> one-size-fits-all setting will not work - because everyone is different. >> >> If you want the error log on your installation, then configure it to do >> so. Why *force* EVERYONE to have an error log? >> >> Adrian Crum >> Sandglass Software >> www.sandglass-software.com >> >> On 9/15/2014 10:19 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >>> Not when you want to quickly spot obvious errors that you can easily fix >>> or wait to fix later, and yes I spent my share of debugging also... >>> >>> But anyway, why do you want to *force* everybody to use the same way >>> than you, are you an OFBiz prophet? >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> Le 15/09/2014 10:53, Scott Gray a écrit : >>> >>>> As someone who has spent thousands of hours debugging OFBiz >>>> installations I can assure you that the error.log is redundant and >>>> provides no true value over ofbiz.log. As I've mentioned a few times >>>> now, OFBiz errors are regularly worthless without knowledge of the >>>> context of the error which can only be found in ofbiz.log. >>>> >>>> With a few command line tools "clutter" is a total non-issue and even >>>> a basic knowledge of those tools is a total time saver when >>>> investigating log files. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 15/09/2014, at 7:43 pm, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On the basis that log analysis and error identification/reporting costs >>>>> money, and the more complex this process is the more it costs. >>>>> An error log contains less clutter and is the first point in >>>>> identification >>>>> and triage of (severe) issues in any organisation that has adopted a >>>>> methodology for service delivery (e.g. ITIL, ISO/IEC 20000, etc), >>>>> specifically the error control process (in ITIL) >>>>> >>>>> Without this OOTB more time is spend on: >>>>> >>>>> - going through the other, more detailed log(s) in the various OFBiz >>>>> systems an organisation might have (e.g. dev, test, prod, etc) >>>>> - getting the error log back and ensuring that it stays in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>> >>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Scott Gray <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On what basis? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/09/2014, at 9:44 pm, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I support reverting this regression. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Jacopo Cappellato < >>>>>>> jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Jacques Le Roux < >>>>>>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't understand why you are so not open to put back the >>>>>>>>> error.log in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> log4j2.xml >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because it is just one of 1 million possible ways to configure >>>>>>>> logging: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> it >>>>>> >>>>>>> is a specific one on not a generic one and so it is not better >>>>>>>> than the >>>>>>>> other 1 million possibilities; you have explained why you like it but >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> me or >>>>>> >>>>>>> others could find similar arguments for the other millions ways; >>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> no >>>>>> >>>>>>> one seconded you in your attempt to add the configuration back this >>>>>>>> confirms to me that this specific configuration is not better than >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> other; >>>>>> >>>>>>> for this reason it should be left out of the trunk. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and qualify this as a mess and almost myself and idiot. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I didn't say this and the mail archive can demonstrate it; you >>>>>>>> have been >>>>>>>> trying to raise the tone of the conversation since the beginning >>>>>>>> of this >>>>>>>> thread (and you did the same in at least another thread recently) >>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>> will not start to fight with you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
