Why *force* EVERYONE not to have an error log OOTB? Why *force* EVERYONE to spend time and money to get it back in?
Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Adrian Crum < adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote: > Jacques, > > That perspective goes both ways. From my perspective, you are trying > *force* everyone to do things your way. > > That is why everyone is trying to get you to realize that a > one-size-fits-all setting will not work - because everyone is different. > > If you want the error log on your installation, then configure it to do > so. Why *force* EVERYONE to have an error log? > > Adrian Crum > Sandglass Software > www.sandglass-software.com > > On 9/15/2014 10:19 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> Not when you want to quickly spot obvious errors that you can easily fix >> or wait to fix later, and yes I spent my share of debugging also... >> >> But anyway, why do you want to *force* everybody to use the same way >> than you, are you an OFBiz prophet? >> >> Jacques >> >> Le 15/09/2014 10:53, Scott Gray a écrit : >> >>> As someone who has spent thousands of hours debugging OFBiz >>> installations I can assure you that the error.log is redundant and >>> provides no true value over ofbiz.log. As I've mentioned a few times >>> now, OFBiz errors are regularly worthless without knowledge of the >>> context of the error which can only be found in ofbiz.log. >>> >>> With a few command line tools "clutter" is a total non-issue and even >>> a basic knowledge of those tools is a total time saver when >>> investigating log files. >>> >>> Regards >>> Scott >>> >>> On 15/09/2014, at 7:43 pm, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On the basis that log analysis and error identification/reporting costs >>>> money, and the more complex this process is the more it costs. >>>> An error log contains less clutter and is the first point in >>>> identification >>>> and triage of (severe) issues in any organisation that has adopted a >>>> methodology for service delivery (e.g. ITIL, ISO/IEC 20000, etc), >>>> specifically the error control process (in ITIL) >>>> >>>> Without this OOTB more time is spend on: >>>> >>>> - going through the other, more detailed log(s) in the various OFBiz >>>> systems an organisation might have (e.g. dev, test, prod, etc) >>>> - getting the error log back and ensuring that it stays in. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pierre Smits >>>> >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Scott Gray <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On what basis? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> On 12/09/2014, at 9:44 pm, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I support reverting this regression. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>>> >>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Jacopo Cappellato < >>>>>> jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 12, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Jacques Le Roux < >>>>>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't understand why you are so not open to put back the >>>>>>>> error.log in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> log4j2.xml >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because it is just one of 1 million possible ways to configure >>>>>>> logging: >>>>>>> >>>>>> it >>>>> >>>>>> is a specific one on not a generic one and so it is not better >>>>>>> than the >>>>>>> other 1 million possibilities; you have explained why you like it but >>>>>>> >>>>>> me or >>>>> >>>>>> others could find similar arguments for the other millions ways; >>>>>>> since >>>>>>> >>>>>> no >>>>> >>>>>> one seconded you in your attempt to add the configuration back this >>>>>>> confirms to me that this specific configuration is not better than >>>>>>> >>>>>> other; >>>>> >>>>>> for this reason it should be left out of the trunk. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and qualify this as a mess and almost myself and idiot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn't say this and the mail archive can demonstrate it; you >>>>>>> have been >>>>>>> trying to raise the tone of the conversation since the beginning >>>>>>> of this >>>>>>> thread (and you did the same in at least another thread recently) >>>>>>> but I >>>>>>> will not start to fight with you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>
