What is your preference? Would you like to see them all in the release packages? Some of them only? Which ones?
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Jacques Le Roux < jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > This is the easiest part, I was more thinking about how much is downloaded > by users. > > Anyway this was just an idea to help user to cope with missing > specialpurpose components in released packages. > > Now a question comes to my mind, I don't clearly remember the reasons we > decided to remove them. Why keeping them in the releases branches but not > not in released packages is not clear to me. > > I believe Jacopo kind of answered at http://markmail.org/message/ > w3xw6lipifdeks3z > Actually we need to clarify 1st which components to keep active in release > branches. For now it seems only ecommerce which is for me too restrictive. > And then discuss about why not doing the same in released packages (sorry > if I missed some arguments here). > For that we need first to exactly know which components affect which ones. > I believe at this stage we don't want to send any specialpurpose component > to Attic, but this might be discussed also. > > Jacques > > Le 13/11/2014 22:51, Pierre Smits a écrit : > > That is not difficult to assess. Do a download from trunk, and see how >> many Mb's are transferred. Do a ./ant clean-all. Subsequently remove all >> hidden files in .svn folders. Finally do a zip of the cleaned download and >> compare the original amount of Mb's with the size of the zip file. That >> difference is what is saved on storage and transfer cost of trunk code. >> >> Now multiply that with the number of branches you had in mind. >> >> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >> >> Op 13 nov. 2014 om 22:32 heeft Jacques Le Roux < >>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> >>> Le 13/11/2014 21:25, Ron Wheeler a écrit : >>> >>>> Is it Apache's concern that while people may be free to choose, ASF >>>> server capacity is not free nor unlimited? >>>> >>>> I doubt that OFBiz really puts a big load on the ASF infrastructure but >>>> users are not supposed to be downloading from the SVN. >>>> They are supposed to get downloads from local mirrors. >>>> >>> You said it :) At the moment I don't fear any overload on the svn server >>> from users downloading from releases branches instead of released packages. >>> OFBiz is not Tomcat ;) >>> But I must say I have no measures, so you got a point until-we/if-we-can >>> discover that. Because users can already do that, I think it's fair to use >>> this method as long as it's reasonable. >>> Of course, having that suggested in a TLP project could be viewed as an >>> abuse from the Board, but let's be pragmatic, numbers should tell us the >>> truth (if can get them) >>> >>> That may be the practical side of Apache's urging to get the releases >>>> following their guidelines. >>>> >>> Yes for Tomcat, HTTPD or such that's understandable. For OFBiz I "fear" >>> it's not a problem. Can we discuss with the board in case, instead of >>> hiding behind unknown numbers? >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13/11/2014 3:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Le 13/11/2014 20:03, Ron Wheeler a écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> Does this solve ASF's issue about having users access the main >>>>>> servers? >>>>>> >>>>> I don't try to solve an issue, just to propose an alternative. It's a >>>>> free user choice, but with more elements >>>>> >>>>> What do you put on the mirrors and how do you stop users from >>>>>> accessing the development SVN which is ASF's concern? >>>>>> >>>>> Things stay as they are, it's only that we inform our users than >>>>> another way is possible and we give them enough elements of comparison to >>>>> choice, it's called freedom >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13/11/2014 1:55 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> For the licence free issues (an other related stuff) we could put a >>>>>>> disclaimer in the wiki page where all alternatives would be explained >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 13/11/2014 12:38, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the past the ASF Board asked to the OFBiz PMC to fix the release >>>>>>>> strategy of the project by providing officially voted release files >>>>>>>> thru >>>>>>>> the ASF mirrors: at that time we were pushing the users to get the >>>>>>>> trunk. >>>>>>>> Officially asking the user to use a release branch would be better >>>>>>>> than the >>>>>>>> trunk but would bring back similar concerns: an official vote is >>>>>>>> required >>>>>>>> to publish a product to the outside of the project in order to >>>>>>>> guarantee >>>>>>>> License free issues etc... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux < >>>>>>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In a recent user ML threadhttp://markmail.org/ >>>>>>>>> message/ivjocjr2ull7lwqe I >>>>>>>>> suggested we could propose our users to use a release branch >>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>> rather than downloaded packages. >>>>>>>>> And that we could expose this way of doing in our download page, >>>>>>>>> or maybe >>>>>>>>> better with a link to an explaining page (in details) in the wiki. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know it's not the recommended way of doing at the ASF. But we >>>>>>>>> all know >>>>>>>>> the OFBiz differences when compared with other TLPs which are >>>>>>>>> mostly libs, >>>>>>>>> and even mostly jars. >>>>>>>>> Most of us are actually using this way in their custom projects >>>>>>>>> and I have >>>>>>>>> a feeling it would not only help our users but also us to support >>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>
