+1 too.
BTW - If we store these settings in Admin, is it possible that we would
not need to re-start OpenMeetings server to switch to the new values
after their saving?
Best regards,
Irina.
On 24.04.2013 15:27, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
+1 for database due to import / export argument
On Apr 24, 2013 11:49 AM, "Maxim Solodovnik" <solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
I would prefer Admin->configuration since it is migrated while OM upgrades
But config.xml requires less code changes :)
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:40 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
The basic rule so far was to put client side/ UI / layout settings in the
config.xml.
The config.xml is parsed by both SWFs (SWF8 and SWF10) on startup one
time.
So it is also rather easy compared to have a database value that then has
to be somehow loaded to the client.
Sebastian
2013/4/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <akhor...@gmail.com>
What kind of solution would be better for switching codecs, AEC, EM and
echo suppression: using config.xml or "Configuration" in the
"Administration" menu?
2013/4/23 Joseph Karwat <jkar...@jellnet.com>
IMHO. When something does not work well users generally ask for help
from
their service provider. In our shop our staff explains AEC issues to
end
users and works with them to resolve the issue. Having AEC as an
easy
to
enable/disable user option, is very helpful in providing the type of
end
user support that will enable widespread adoption of OM.
I'd be pleased to work with the group to formally test AEC and
resolve
this
issue.
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-----Original Message-----
From: seba.wag...@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wag...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:53 AM
To: dev
Subject: Re: AEC in the new release
IMHO having yet another checkbox where the user can decide to enable
or
disable AEC can be only an additional thing on top of a general
system
wide
configuration.
The problem with this is for example that the average user does not
even
know what AEC means.
Or what is the difference between hardware echo cancellation and
software
echo cancellation ?!
So what would be the benefit for him in having a checkbox tagged
"enabled
AEC" ?
One of the concerns people have against OpenMeetings is its
complexity.
They just want to conference and not bother around with a lot of
options.
I would also not disable the AEC feature by default as long as there
is
no
concrete use-case where AEC (or enhancedMicro mode) leads to an
issue.
Same for h264. There was a discussion that included h264 a couple of
weeks
ago:
http://markmail.org/message/fctg6eo5qf5hhcaa
The consens was:
- The amount of CPU that our clients needed more was not measurable.
- There is no concrete use case where enabling or disabling h264
would
improve anything I agree that having a config for the Video codec,
same
as
the Microphone Mode, would be nice.
But changing any defaults now back and forth without concrete use
cases
and
some kind of test plan does not make a lot of sense to me.
So what I would propose is:
- Make Microphone and VideoCodec configurable and documentate this
- Set up a concrete test plan and communicate that through our
mailing
lists.
Based on the feedback we might then discuss changing some defaults.
Sebastian
2013/4/23 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
My previous comment was regarding video codec Auto selecting h264
based on SIP setting is not a good idea IMHO
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
akhor...@gmail.com
wrote:
Usually (for example, in Linphone) echo cancellation option is
available for every user. In my opinion it would be better to
allow
users to decide use echo cancellation or not because its
efficiency
depends on hardware.
2013/4/23 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
Maybe it is better to make it configurable somehow? config.xml
is
good candidate IMHO
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko
<akhor...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
I suppose using h264 would be necessary only in SIP rooms,
for
all
other
rooms - codec which used before (h263?). It avoids any
suspections
about
h264 issues and increses performance. I'm also going to
implement
switching
microphone mode in the audio/video test dialog. Is there
anybody
who disagree with this idea?
2013/4/23 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com>
That would be great!
On Apr 23, 2013 5:36 AM, "Maxim Solodovnik"
<solomax...@gmail.com>
wrote:
@Alexei this definitely can be done in realtime, BUT ...
:)
The setting affects Working microphone so it is
impossible
to
ON/OFF
it
while speaking :(
The only option I can see is to add dropdown control to
testSetupDialog
(the one with choose camera and test recording). So we
can
have
something
like:
1) default system setting (can be moved to
Admin->configuration
to
avoid
rewriting it after each upgrade)
2) per user setting stored in LocalData (like
rememberLogin
default
cam/mic
etc.)
using above scheme user can change the setting while
entering the
room
or
"re-sync" audio/video
What do you think?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Joseph Karwat <
jkar...@jellnet.com>
wrote:
We tested AEC out-of-the-box. We just installed and
ran a
meeting
in
OM2.1- Litle or no echo. We then, using the exact same
configuration,
logged in to an OM2.0 server and ran a meeting. We
experienced
substantial
echo. We were both running a PC with Flash echo
cancellation on
but
no
hardware echo cancelation.
Also for OM2.1 Where do I set the buffer lenghth? Are
there
any
other
parameters/options I should know about?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexei Fedotov [mailto:alexei.fedo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:49 PM
To: dev@openmeetings.apache.org
Subject: RE: AEC in the new release
Joseph, which devices show improvement? Which buffer
length did
you
use?
I like the suggestion - Maxim, how is it possible to
configure
AEC
in
realtime?
On Apr 22, 2013 11:30 PM, "Joseph Karwat"
<jkar...@jellnet.com
wrote:
We have a test OM2.1 server installed at AWS running
Unbuntu
12.04.
We tested AEC this morning for the first time and it
did
seem
to
make
the audio work very well. Little if no echo. We
still
need
to
test
under a wide range of scenarios, but we are
encouraged
by the performance this morning.
If you do make it a configurable setting. It should
be
an
option
when
setting up the room or allow the individual user to
enable/disabe
AEC
when in a conference room.
Making it a system-wide configuration option will
delay
testing
and
adoption.
We will be conducting further testing of AEC over the
next
few
days
and will report back with our findings. Anyone
wishing
to
participate
in our AEC testing is encouraged to contact me.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexei Fedotov [mailto:
alexei.fedo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:49 AM
To: dev; u...@openmeetings.apache.org
Subject: Re: AEC in the new release
There are no answers. My point here is that we can be
100%
sure
that
today AEC does not work as expected, and provides
distinctive
and
high
quality echo in 100% of situations when users use
separate
dynamic
and
microphone systems.
The new thing is AEC mechanism sometimes meddles with
hardware
echo
cancellation support providing temporary sound
outages.
It
also
provides visible de-synchronization between sound and
video
channels.
If someone has a different experience, please, speak
up.
So I have two ideas to speak of. 1. Disable AEC in
openmeetings
releases by default. It takes a simple configuration
change
to
enable
it. 2. Later understand when AEC really works, and
fix
it.
Folks, please again let me know if you disagree and
have
beneficial
AEC experience.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei
Fedotov
/
Алексей
Федотов, http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Alexei Fedotov
<alexei.fedo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello guys,
How AEC (acoustic echo cancellation) works for you
in
the
new
release?
Can anyone share usage experience?
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei
Fedotov
/
Алексей Федотов, http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
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