Storing in config.xml required re-loading swf. The server did not require restart On Apr 24, 2013 12:37 PM, "Irina Arkhipets" <ia...@unipro.ru> wrote:
> +1 too. > > BTW - If we store these settings in Admin, is it possible that we would > not need to re-start OpenMeetings server to switch to the new values after > their saving? > > Best regards, > Irina. > > On 24.04.2013 15:27, Alexei Fedotov wrote: > >> +1 for database due to import / export argument >> On Apr 24, 2013 11:49 AM, "Maxim Solodovnik" <solomax...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I would prefer Admin->configuration since it is migrated while OM >>> upgrades >>> But config.xml requires less code changes :) >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:40 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The basic rule so far was to put client side/ UI / layout settings in >>>> the >>>> config.xml. >>>> The config.xml is parsed by both SWFs (SWF8 and SWF10) on startup one >>>> >>> time. >>> >>>> So it is also rather easy compared to have a database value that then >>>> has >>>> to be somehow loaded to the client. >>>> >>>> Sebastian >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/4/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <akhor...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> What kind of solution would be better for switching codecs, AEC, EM and >>>>> echo suppression: using config.xml or "Configuration" in the >>>>> "Administration" menu? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/4/23 Joseph Karwat <jkar...@jellnet.com> >>>>> >>>>> IMHO. When something does not work well users generally ask for help >>>>>> >>>>> from >>>> >>>>> their service provider. In our shop our staff explains AEC issues to >>>>>> >>>>> end >>>> >>>>> users and works with them to resolve the issue. Having AEC as an >>>>>> >>>>> easy >>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>> enable/disable user option, is very helpful in providing the type of >>>>>> >>>>> end >>>> >>>>> user support that will enable widespread adoption of OM. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd be pleased to work with the group to formally test AEC and >>>>>> >>>>> resolve >>> >>>> this >>>>> >>>>>> issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo | www.jellnet.com | >>>>>> JELL NETWORKS, INC. >>>>>> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions >>>>>> >>>>>> Click Here to Register for your JellVideo Collaboration Account >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: seba.wag...@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wag...@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:53 AM >>>>>> To: dev >>>>>> Subject: Re: AEC in the new release >>>>>> >>>>>> IMHO having yet another checkbox where the user can decide to enable >>>>>> >>>>> or >>> >>>> disable AEC can be only an additional thing on top of a general >>>>>> >>>>> system >>> >>>> wide >>>>> >>>>>> configuration. >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem with this is for example that the average user does not >>>>>> >>>>> even >>>> >>>>> know what AEC means. >>>>>> Or what is the difference between hardware echo cancellation and >>>>>> >>>>> software >>>> >>>>> echo cancellation ?! >>>>>> So what would be the benefit for him in having a checkbox tagged >>>>>> >>>>> "enabled >>>> >>>>> AEC" ? >>>>>> >>>>>> One of the concerns people have against OpenMeetings is its >>>>>> >>>>> complexity. >>> >>>> They just want to conference and not bother around with a lot of >>>>>> >>>>> options. >>>> >>>>> I would also not disable the AEC feature by default as long as there >>>>>> >>>>> is >>> >>>> no >>>>> >>>>>> concrete use-case where AEC (or enhancedMicro mode) leads to an >>>>>> >>>>> issue. >>> >>>> Same for h264. There was a discussion that included h264 a couple of >>>>>> >>>>> weeks >>>>> >>>>>> ago: >>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/**fctg6eo5qf5hhcaa<http://markmail.org/message/fctg6eo5qf5hhcaa> >>>>>> >>>>>> The consens was: >>>>>> - The amount of CPU that our clients needed more was not measurable. >>>>>> - There is no concrete use case where enabling or disabling h264 >>>>>> >>>>> would >>> >>>> improve anything I agree that having a config for the Video codec, >>>>>> >>>>> same >>> >>>> as >>>>> >>>>>> the Microphone Mode, would be nice. >>>>>> But changing any defaults now back and forth without concrete use >>>>>> >>>>> cases >>> >>>> and >>>>> >>>>>> some kind of test plan does not make a lot of sense to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> So what I would propose is: >>>>>> - Make Microphone and VideoCodec configurable and documentate this >>>>>> - Set up a concrete test plan and communicate that through our >>>>>> >>>>> mailing >>> >>>> lists. >>>>>> Based on the feedback we might then discuss changing some defaults. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sebastian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/4/23 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> My previous comment was regarding video codec Auto selecting h264 >>>>>>> based on SIP setting is not a good idea IMHO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko < >>>>>>> >>>>>> akhor...@gmail.com >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Usually (for example, in Linphone) echo cancellation option is >>>>>>>> available for every user. In my opinion it would be better to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> allow >>> >>>> users to decide use echo cancellation or not because its >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> efficiency >>> >>>> depends on hardware. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2013/4/23 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe it is better to make it configurable somehow? config.xml >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> is >>> >>>> good candidate IMHO >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko >>>>>>>>> <akhor...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I suppose using h264 would be necessary only in SIP rooms, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for >>> >>>> all >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> rooms - codec which used before (h263?). It avoids any >>>>>>>>>> suspections >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> h264 issues and increses performance. I'm also going to >>>>>>>>>> implement >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> switching >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> microphone mode in the audio/video test dialog. Is there >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> anybody >>>> >>>>> who disagree with this idea? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2013/4/23 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That would be great! >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2013 5:36 AM, "Maxim Solodovnik" >>>>>>>>>>> <solomax...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> @Alexei this definitely can be done in realtime, BUT ... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> :) >>> >>>> The setting affects Working microphone so it is >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> impossible >>> >>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ON/OFF >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> while speaking :( >>>>>>>>>>>> The only option I can see is to add dropdown control to >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> testSetupDialog >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (the one with choose camera and test recording). So we >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> can >>> >>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> like: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) default system setting (can be moved to >>>>>>>>>>>> Admin->configuration >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> avoid >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> rewriting it after each upgrade) >>>>>>>>>>>> 2) per user setting stored in LocalData (like >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> rememberLogin >>> >>>> default >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cam/mic >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> etc.) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> using above scheme user can change the setting while >>>>>>>>>>>> entering the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> room >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "re-sync" audio/video >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Joseph Karwat < >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> jkar...@jellnet.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We tested AEC out-of-the-box. We just installed and >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ran a >>> >>>> meeting >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OM2.1- Litle or no echo. We then, using the exact same >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> configuration, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> logged in to an OM2.0 server and ran a meeting. We >>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> substantial >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> echo. We were both running a PC with Flash echo >>>>>>>>>>>>> cancellation on >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> hardware echo cancelation. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also for OM2.1 Where do I set the buffer lenghth? Are >>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> parameters/options I should know about? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph Karwat | CEO | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo | >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> www.jellnet.com| >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JELL NETWORKS, INC. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Click Here to Register for your JellVideo Collaboration >>>>>>>>>>>>> Account >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alexei Fedotov >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:alexei.fedotov@gmail.**com<alexei.fedo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:49 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@openmeetings.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: AEC in the new release >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph, which devices show improvement? Which buffer >>>>>>>>>>>>> length did >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> use? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I like the suggestion - Maxim, how is it possible to >>>>>>>>>>>>> configure >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> AEC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> realtime? >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2013 11:30 PM, "Joseph Karwat" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <jkar...@jellnet.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We have a test OM2.1 server installed at AWS running >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unbuntu >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.04. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We tested AEC this morning for the first time and it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> did >>>> >>>>> seem >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the audio work very well. Little if no echo. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>> >>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> test >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> under a wide range of scenarios, but we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged >>> >>>> by the performance this morning. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do make it a configurable setting. It should >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>> >>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> option >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> setting up the room or allow the individual user to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> enable/disabe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AEC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> when in a conference room. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Making it a system-wide configuration option will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> delay >>> >>>> testing >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> adoption. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will be conducting further testing of AEC over the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and will report back with our findings. Anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wishing >>> >>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> participate >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> in our AEC testing is encouraged to contact me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph Karwat |415-462-0263 | JellVideo | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jellnet.com | >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JELL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> NETWORKS, INC. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Click Here to Register for your JellVideo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Collaboration >>> >>>> Account >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alexei Fedotov [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> alexei.fedo...@gmail.com] >>> >>>> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:49 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev; u...@openmeetings.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: AEC in the new release >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no answers. My point here is that we can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> today AEC does not work as expected, and provides >>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinctive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> high >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> quality echo in 100% of situations when users use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> separate >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamic >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> microphone systems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The new thing is AEC mechanism sometimes meddles with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> echo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> cancellation support providing temporary sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> outages. >>> >>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> provides visible de-synchronization between sound and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> video >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> channels. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If someone has a different experience, please, speak >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> up. >>>> >>>>> So I have two ideas to speak of. 1. Disable AEC in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> openmeetings >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> releases by default. It takes a simple configuration >>>>>>>>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> enable >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it. 2. Later understand when AEC really works, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fix >>> >>>> it. >>>>> >>>>>> Folks, please again let me know if you disagree and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>> >>>>> beneficial >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AEC experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fedotov >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> / >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Алексей >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +7 916 562 8095 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Alexei Fedotov >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello guys, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How AEC (acoustic echo cancellation) works for you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>> >>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> release? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone share usage experience? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexei >>> >>>> Fedotov >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> / >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Алексей Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +7 916 562 8095 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> WBR >>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> WBR >>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> WBR >>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sebastian Wagner >>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_**lock <https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock> >>>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de >>>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.**com <http://www.wagner-sebastian.com> >>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sebastian Wagner >>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_**lock <https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock> >>>> http://www.webbase-design.de >>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.**com <http://www.wagner-sebastian.com> >>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> WBR >>> Maxim aka solomax >>> >>> >
