On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org> wrote: > On 2/4/13, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:51 AM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> We have just completed the last optimization of wiki.o.o, which means >>> that >>> it has entered maintenance mode. >>> >>> There is one outstanding bugzilla issue, which will be implemented if we >>> can find a supported solution. >>> >>> Now would be a good time to think about the other things we have >>> discussed >>> earlier: >>> - Move cwiki to mwiki. >>> this has been discussed/decided earlier, but might need a positive >>> decision. >>> I for one find it very confusing to look in 2 wikis for the same >>> information (e.g. build instructions) >>> - Mark outdated paged with category outdated, and symbol on page >>> A lot of the information in wiki is outdated and superseeded by new >>> pages, its hard to find the correct info. >>> If outpdated paged had the category "outdated" it would be easy to >>> change >>> search to excluded these >>> - Put categories on all pages, and structure the pages >>> Due to the very limited maintenance the page structure and catagory >>> usage >>> seems very random. >>> >> >> I agree with your appraisal of the current problems. The tricky part >> of this problem is that we have a small number of old pages that are >> useful, and a larger numbers that are not really useful anymore. Even > > I dobt this is true. There is a lot of content that iss very useful, > AOO in its core is not really changed and most of the content still > applies. So I would say that almost 60% of the wiki info still applies > now. >
I was talking about the wiki + website. There is a lot there about old project organizational structures that are not relevant any more. And even if 60% is still valid, that is still an enormous number of pages that are not relevant any more. What can we do to increase the signal/noise ratio. Here is a challenge for anyone: Starting from the home page, what is the minimum number of clicks you can make before you come to a page that is full of outdated, wrong information? I can see dozens of wrong pages that are two clicks away from the home page. -Rob >> if we had volunteers lined up to tag the outdated ones this still >> leaves the wiki content in a poor state. IMHO it is more than just >> improving things at the page level. It is the structure as well. And >> this goes across the wiki and the website, since they are interlinked. >> >> One approache, a bold one, that we might consider: >> >> Freeze the old wiki and website and start fresh with a new one. Design >> a new website and wiki, mapping out in advance the visual design, >> branding, the templates, the taxonomies, etc. Do it at a temporary >> URL at first. Migrate valuable old content into the new structure. >> We could have a data-driven approach to prioritize what to migrate, >> based on a year's worth of data on what current website and wiki pages >> are consulted most often. >> >> This slays all the dragons at once: migrate CWiki to MWiki, combine >> openoffice.apache.org content into openoffice.org, etc. We can still >> keep the old stuff, but maybe in a new subdomain, like >> www.legacy.openoffice.org or wiki.legacy.openoffice.org. >> >> We can also at the same time make a more uniform attempt at enabling >> website translation. >> >> -Rob >> >>> We can hopefully expect high traffic volume when we release 4.0, which >>> gives a natural timelimit when the wiki should be streamlined. Unless of >>> course, the community does not find it embarrasing to have text like: >>> >>> "Teams >>> This section is partly outdated. Visit Apache >>> OpenOffice<http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/index.html>for >>> actual information." >>> >>> on the front page, highlighting the priority of maintaining the wiki. >>> >>> Doing the work needed is too much for one person, it requires a small >>> team. >>> And based on my experience touching information can generate a lot of >>> feelings, so the team should preferable contain enough "old" volunteers >>> to >>> guarantee that the changes are done historically correct. >>> >>> I will keep doing the running maintenance of the wiki2 server. >>> >>> Rgds >>> jan I. >> > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > Apache OpenOffice Contributor > http://es.openoffice.org
