On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen <guenter.mar...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher: > >> There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who are >> more in touch with users have stated that it would be harmful. I trust their >> judgement. > > > as a longtime "OpenOffice"-user (since StarWriter 2.0), I think that in this > case, Rob is wrong and resetting the votes would be something like an > offense to us, the "old" users, who wrote and commented issues or voted for > issues for many years. > > I mainly used Writer, writing long texts with many images and many > references (f.e. an SO-/OOo-manual, widely spread in the german speaking > universities) and in times before the turbulences around OOo I made bug and > enhancement issues and also voted for issues. > > Look f.e. at issue 5608 > (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=5608). > > It was raised in 2002 and the latest comment is dated 2012. (I did not find > "my votes" and the number of votes in bugzilla, but I think, I voted for it > in 2004.) > Although the issue is ten years old and nobody worked on it, it remains a > very important enhancement issue for all, who are writing long texts with > (many) references. The issue is not at all outdated! >
I suppose it depends on how you define "important". Since issue 5608 was entered, back in 2002, we've fixed 36054 issues in Bugzilla. (31064 defects, 3839 enhancements and 1151 features). So that many bugs were fixed, or enhancements/features implemented, while issue #5608 was not. I don't know how you define "important", but to me something that is behind 36,054 other items is as close to unimportant as I can imagine. Remember, what things a developer chooses to code on is also a vote. They vote with their time. I count that kind of vote very highly, since it is backed up by actions. Those 36054 issues were important enough for someone to actually invest their time into fixing it. I don't mean to offend anyone by telling them that their issue is not important. We're all entitled to our personal preferences, and if you say something is important to you then I will gladly accept that. But from a project perspective, I think it is clear that an issue that was bypassed by 36054 other issues for over a decade, that an issue like this is certainly not a likely candidate for a"high priority" designation. The "votes" from project members, via their actions, has put 36054 other issues ahead of it. Regards, -Rob > The same is valid for issue 11901 > (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=11901) and many others. > > I always have accepted, that the lack of ressources/developers prevents to > solve some/many issues "in time", but I could hardly accept, that "old" > stuff in bugzilla is reset/deleted and hence forgotten. I think, that some > old users ("issuers") would be frustrated. > > Instead of resetting the votes, one could have a list of 'issues with many > votes', "weight" them (f.e. as proposed by a survey) and then let the > volunteers/developers decide, if they want to work on their "most important" > issues in the list. > And perhaps for another ten years nobody is found to work on some or all of > them! But that does not change the importance of such issues (provided that > importance is not only measured by age). > > Special cases are concerns/issues by "users" like the city of Munich (as an > "beacon project", Leuchtturmprojekt), which can weight more than 1000 > individual votes. > > If the process is transparent, users and "issuers" will understand (and be > patient). > > -- > Grüße > > Günter Marxen > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
