On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Keith N. McKenna > <keith.mcke...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Rob Weir wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Keith N. McKenna > >> <keith.mcke...@comcast.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Given the negative press we have received in some quarters about having > >>> dropped language translations, would it make sense to add a notice in > the > >>> Release Notes for 4.0.0 about languages that were available for 3.4.x > but > >>> not available for 4.0.0. > >>> > >> > >> Negative press? Do you have a link? > > > > > > Was remembering a conversation from this list awhile back, mostly > rumblings > > from the blogs. Unfortunately a quick search of the archive wasn't able > to > > uncover anything. May be just my memory is getting faulty with age. > > > >> > >> Remember, we didn't drop anything. For example, we had released no > >> translation of French 4.0 last week, because 4.0 was not done. Now > >> that 4.0 is done and the translation is done, we can release both. > >> Does that mean we dropped French last week? No it just means it was > >> not ready to release yet. > > > > > > Rob I know we didn't drop anything and most of our users will know it > also; > > however when we due a major release that does not include languages that > > where there before it will be noticed and commented on. The purpose of > this > > post was not to rehash the minutia, but to solicit informed opinion as to > > whether an preemptive entry in the languages section of the release notes > > could help ward off some support requests and to give the people doing > the > > support a place to point concerned people to. > > > > I think the important message for users is that languages can be added > incrementally, as the translations complete. They are not tied to the > main release schedule in the same way other product features are. > > It will probably be annoying to some users to see a language appear in > one release, then not be on the next release date, but then appear a > month later, etc. But this is a self-correcting issue. The more > users who are annoyed by this timing the more potential volunteers we > have to correct it. The trick is to advertise that we need > volunteers on the NL page. For example, we did this for Turkish and > we now see a new volunteer introducing themselves on the L10N list > every few days: > > http://www.openoffice.org/tr/ > > Regards, > > -Rob > What is currently in the Release Notes about this looks OK to me -- not over the top but succint. It's good that the link to the activity on Pootle was included. It might help to tell folks that we only release with 100% translation, but it's clearly visible what is lacking in the Pootle information. > > > > >> > >> When the same conditions are met for other languages, we release them > >> as well. So we're not dropping anything. We're merely releasing the > >> translations that are done now rather than waiting longer for the ones > >> that are still in progress. > >> > >> We did the exact same thing before with AOO 3.4.1. > >> > >>> My personal feeling is that it would be good since it would give us a > >>> place > >>> to direct user with support questions to for a definitive statement, > but > >>> I > >>> also recognize how controversial this topic can be. > >>> > >> > >> I added a statement to the release notes explaining that more > >> translations are coming and telling how interested parties can > >> volunteer to help. Is that good enough? > >> > > > > Whether it is good enough is not for me to decide but it does accomplish > the > > intent of the initial question. > > > > Keith > > > >> -Rob > >> > >> > >>> Regards > >>> Keith > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK Success is falling nine times and getting up ten." -- Jon Bon Jovi
