On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:18 AM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On 26 October 2013 19:41, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 8:40 AM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > I was just thinking, because I just merged l10n40 from trunk and got > very > > > tired. > > > > > > I think your idea of making it easy for translators and also > documenters > > is > > > real good. > > > > > > But you have spare cycles to spare for this, why not approach it > > > differently and decouple the help system. Somewhere in the code (I dont > > > know where, but you may know), the help system is called with an id. If > > we > > > branch at that point to call a standard help system instead it would be > > > decoupled. > > > > > > If you could do the decoupling, I can for sure help transform the > current > > > help into whatever format is required for a new help system. At the > > moment > > > I burn cycles comprehending what happens, I dare not start thinking > > "why", > > > I am pretty sure that with the same resource usage we could make a help > > > system based on todays help standard. > > > > > > > I think this has been suggested in the past as well, and maybe what I'm > > trying to do will be a first step to this. At this point, I don't know > > where/how the Help system get launched. > > > > It would make sense to put the "help" stuff in its own svn area like we > do > > with "extras" for example, and then go from there at least. A ways down > the > > road I think. > > > It would make the whole translation process (new one) more difficult if > help was in its own area, because right now all references are within main, > and its simple to expect all modules in main to be at same level, I dont > consider it simple to secure that 2 (or more) different svn areas are at > the same level. If they happen to be at different level and someone > generates templates it will go wrong, because keys will not match and wrong > messages will be extracted. >
Ah! well I did say I had not explored connectivity to help at all at this point. :/ > > Why do you think it would help with its own area, whether you write > main/helpcontent2 or helpcontent2 does not make a difference or ? > More thought needed... > > > > > > Thanks for your support and willingness to help. > > > No problem, its just returning the help I needed :-) > > rgds > jan I. > > > > > > > > > just my idea a saturday afternoon, where I see someone change the > > > readmelicense.xrm and my parser broke. > > > > > > rgds > > > jan I. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 21:42, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 18:33, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > On 25 October 2013 01:06, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > [top posting] > > > >> > > > > > >> > > never mind on this question. I found the answer -- I didn't do a > > > last > > > >> > step. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Sorry for the noise. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > the makefiles in helpcontent2, are like good italian spaghetti, > > > >> especially > > > >> > the util directories, where parts of what was done in source is > > > >> > overwritten. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ??? I need to take a closer look at what you're saying here...this > is > > > >> exactly where I stopped looking yesterday. > > > >> > > > > > > > > tell me if I can help. In branch l10n40 you can see some of the > > changed I > > > > had to do to make it work. My biggest problem was the .tree files, > and > > > the > > > > fact that whereas most input files are in source some of them (index > > etc) > > > > is in util for SOME not all of the parts. > > > > > > > > Let me know if I can help. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > jan I. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > I have integrated genLang here, but its on my list to strip the > > > >> makefiles > > > >> > down to what we use (today). > > > >> > > > > >> > rgds > > > >> > jan I. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Well, as it turns out, my "problem" is not solved. The jars I'm > > looking > > > >> for > > > >> "supposedly" get generated in the makefile in helpcontent2/util, > > > >> but...still no jars. > > > >> > > > >> As per the old instructions, I got into helpcontent2 and just did a > > > build. > > > >> > > > >> I'm trying to figure out what's required to just deal with the help > > > files > > > >> -- editing/seeing results -- apart from a complete build of the > > product. > > > >> What I'm thinking is we might be able to kludge some simple config > for > > > >> users interested in just tech writing for this area. > > > >> > > > >> more later...after more trials > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Kay Schenk < > kay.sch...@gmail.com > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I'm trying to find my way around the bundled help with AOO -- > > how > > > to > > > >> > put > > > >> > > > stuff in, how to build etc to see changes. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > So, I made some changes and followed instructions for building > > in: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/online_help/OOo2HelpAuthoring.pdf > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > pp. 21, 22 > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > This was building ONLY helpcontent2. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Some things happened -- new zip files were created but not the > > > .jar > > > >> > files > > > >> > > > FROM the zip files found in <openoffice4-location>/help > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Can anyone tell me what needs to be built next to make this > > > happen? > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I've done a bunch of searches on some of the makefiles etc but > > > can't > > > >> > > > readily find this. Thanks for any help on Help. :} > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > > > MzK > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, > > > >> > > > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” > > > >> > > > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -- > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > > MzK > > > >> > > > > > >> > > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, > > > >> > > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” > > > >> > > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> MzK > > > >> > > > >> “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, > > > >> Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” > > > >> -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > MzK > > > > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, > > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” > > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
