Has anyone offered to put AOO into the Ubuntu software centre as a trusted package automatically available? If not and there was no refusal to cooperate I don;t see how you can say Ubuntu truncates the freedom of the user. Anyone is free to do with Ubuntu the same things as with any other distro, as with all distros, somethings are easier to implement for non-geeks than others. I should think Ubuntu scores pretty highly on that score as it probably has more non-geek users than any other.
On 2 December 2013 03:20, Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > On 01-Dec-2013, at 19:45, Glenn Harvey Liwanag < > glennharveyliwa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pardon for not reading the whole thread, but is Ubuntu not shipped with > > AOO? Last time I installed Ubuntu, it had AOO. Or was it LibreOffice? > > LibreOffice. > The issue here, and this is by no means within the proper scope of the > subject line (sigh), is that Ubuntu (or should I say, Canonical) makes it > hard for naive users (that is, those who are not inclined to use command > line interfaces) to replace the LibreOffice default offering with Apache > OpenOffice. > > It is by no means impossible and we've replied on several occasions with > instructions how to do this, but these, afaik, are not posted to the > download page, nor is the information about what is delivered with Ubuntu > there. > > I have no real—well, okay, I do, a little—problem with LibreOffice being > the default. I have a problem with any OS that so truncates the freedom of > the user as Ubuntu does, and yet claims to work with and for a community > that supposedly contributes to instituting freedom, not something more > ironic. > > louis > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> We use Ubuntu throughout the company and don't have any problems with > it - > >> well certainly no more than Windows and Apple Users seem to have. I > suggest > >> if AOO is difficult to install in Ubuntu for a non-developer its really > up > >> to those that have the skills and knowledge to change that..well that > >> assumes that the project isn't just giving up on Ubuntu and leaving it > to > >> LO. I have to say AOO is one of the most difficult to install > applications > >> on Ubuntu. We can blame Ubuntu or Canonical or we can fix it. Depends on > >> whether the Ubuntu market is seen as important because companies like > ours > >> are not going to switch platforms just to run AOO. > >> > >> > >> On 1 December 2013 23:25, Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On 01-Dec-2013, at 18:03, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Some distros make it very difficult for the typical Linux end user to > >>>> install anything NOT in the distro's repository. This is NOT why I > >>>> switched to Linux, I can assure you. > >>> > >>> It's only—only—been my experience with Ubuntu. With *all* other > LInuxes, > >> I > >>> get joy. (I've not used all there are, I refer just to those I've used; > >> and > >>> at that, via my virtualized environment. Ubuntu pretends to the ease of > >> OS > >>> X but is actually more—!!—tight with proprietary constraints, if you > can > >>> imagine that: if it don't come from Canonical, it ain't canonical.) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> (At any rate, that's what I would mean. Given the choice of OSs, for > a > >>> lot > >>>>> of stuff I tend toward Linux. It's easier. But I tend then toward > >>>>> non-Canonical Linuxes. Even easier.) > >>>>> > >>>>> And try installing OOo in the latest Ubuntu *as a non-developer.* > Tell > >>> us > >>>>> about it :-). > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> I have only used one Linux distro since I started. I do not use Ubuntu > >>> and > >>>> likely never will. I got away from MS because of all kinds of > >>> restrictions > >>>> and I don't need to trade one environment like that for another. > >>> > >>> Quite. And I love Linux (and also, for that matter, OS X) because it's > >>> logical in its layout and thus easy to navigate, work with, use. > Whereas > >> I > >>> dislike MSFT's Windows because it is seemingly arbitrary in layout and > >>> operation; and though one can finally *get* that its logic is about > >>> property (MY MY MY things), still, one must then deal with mairzy doats > >> and > >>> dozy doats and liddle lazy divey and not mares and does and lambs > >> scarfing > >>> oats & ivy.) > >>> > >>> louis > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ian > >> > >> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications < > >> https://theingots.org/community/faq#7.0> > >> > >> Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables > >> > >> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 > >> > >> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, Unit 4D Gagarin, Lichfield > >> Road Industrial Estate, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 7GN. 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