On 10/18/2017 07:16 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:


On 10/18/2017 3:39 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
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Question..
If a PMC member cast a vote should it always be counted as binding whether stated explicitly or not?

The vote counting is really only for ASF rule conformance. The way it really works for AOO, even a single properly justified -1, regardless of source, stops the release in its tracks. Similarly, any +1 increases confidence in the release.

Maybe we need to ask for review of http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#release-approval at the same time as looking at the voting process documentation. If taken literally, a PMC member who cannot do builds from source can't cast a +1 vote, because their vote is binding and a binding +1 requires a build from source.

What I would like is to change it to require at least three PMC members to declare they have done a build from source and tested the result. Other PMC members could vote based on binary testing and signature checking without building.

If we tried to follow the ASF policies literally only the handful of us who are set up to build AOO would have any voice at all in releases, which is ridiculous.



That was kind of the way I was looking at it.

It might be good to include the links in any documentation for the release vote email.

Thanks,
Carl


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