Ahh cool, thx. :)

Am 19. Oktober 2017 13:03:04 MESZ schrieb Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>:
>In general, we are documenting our release process in 
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/How+to+Cook+a+Release.
>
>We have a problem that the ASF itself documents the rules for voting on
>
>releases in two places: 
>http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#release-approval and 
>https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
>Those rules do not quite work for us. In practice, we treat a justified
>
>-1 from any community member as a veto. We put much more emphasis on 
>testing binaries than on building from source. I suppose in theory when
>
>we see a justified -1 all PMC members should change their votes to -1, 
>and change them back to +1 if and when the problem is resolved.
>
>On 10/19/2017 12:06 AM, Peter kovacs wrote:
>> Have we documented our process somewhere. I am unsure. I think we
>have at least discussed this already.
>> All arguments sound so familiar.
>> 
>> Am 19. Oktober 2017 02:35:29 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher
><dave2w...@comcast.net>:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Pedro Lino <pedro.l...@mailbox.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we need to ask for review of
>>> http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#release-approval at
>the
>>> same time as looking at the voting process documentation. If taken
>>> literally, a PMC member who cannot do builds from source can't cast
>a
>>> +1 vote, because their vote is binding and a binding +1 requires a
>>> build from source.
>>>>
>>>> Probably the ASF wants to guarantee that at least 3 PMC members are
>>> developers (or development inclined)?
>>>
>>> It’s not probably. It *IS*!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What I would like is to change it to require at least three PMC
>>> members to declare they have done a build from source and tested the
>>> result. Other PMC members could vote based on binary testing and
>>> signature checking without building.
>>>>
>>>> Actually for a multi-platform software such as AOO it should be
>>> required that building from source and testing the result was
>carried
>>> out by at least one voter (PMC member or not) for each of the
>>> platforms/bit depths.
>>>> If all three PMC members have success in building on e.g. Linux x64
>>> it does not provide any guarantee for the other platforms (as proven
>by
>>> 4.1.4 RC4)
>>>
>>> We had two PMC providing the community builds. The official release
>is
>>> the Source release. We need as much testing as possible of the
>>> community releases. AOO is a unique project for Apache because our
>>> users count on the community builds and not the source releases.
>>>
>>> I think we have grown in the last year because in the first years
>here
>>> at Apache most of the knowledge on how to build was in the minds of
>the
>>> former Hamburg team - Star, Sun, Oracle and then IBM employees.
>>>
>>> Special thanks to Matthias and Jim how providing the Community
>Builds.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>
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