On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:24 AM Fernando Cassia <fcas...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue., 31 Aug. 2021, 09:44 Hao Wang, <hao...@live.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for introducing me to the new term Ribbon. Looks like that's what > > I'm aiming for. > > In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a > > web-page based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? > > > > One of the reasons I stick to OpenOffice are CUA menus. > Menus are not hidden based on "context" or where the cursor is within the > document. > > Please, stick to CUA menus. If it becomes yet another "ribbon UI" madness > it will be tone for me to either look for something else or keep using old > versions. > > There are plenty of UX pundits that question the usefulness of "ribbon" > like user interfaces. > > Why the Ribbon is wrong > https://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/05/why-the-ribbon-is-wrong.html > > "*For a user interface to be effective, it has to be consistent. Consistant > is not what the ribbon is about. It suffers from large buttons, small > buttons. Buttons labelled with words, buttons labeled with icons. Sometimes > what appears to be a button is only a text label; clicking it does > nothing." * > > Microsoft Office Ribbon sucks – Julie Larson-Green should design prison > complexes instead of software UI > https://moralvolcano.wordpress.com/2015/07/26/microsoft-office-ribbon-sucks-julie-larson-green-should-design-prison-complexes-instead-of-software-ui/ > > The Ribbon Sucks > http://blog.schauderhaft.de/2009/01/08/the-ribbon-sucks/ > > https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2018/09/05/outlook_updates_microsoft_ribbon/ > *Microsoft's incoming updates to Outlook on Windows and web aim to strip > away the cruft that has built up in the interface over the years. Outlook > for Windows The veteran email client has seen its interface become > gradually ever more cluttered, with the divisive ribbon inflicted on the > toolbar just over 10 years ago"* > > > The ribbon interface, however, does in fact suck. I’m used to it, I can use > it, but it is fundamentally more annoying and slower to use than the old > drop-down-menus-plus-toolbars interface for a number of reasons. One of > them is that it only lets you do one kind of thing at a time, so you have > to switch back and forth all the time. So for instance, say I want to mess > with tables, or I’m in a spreadsheet and I want to do some sorting. But, > I’m going to want to do some basic formatting with this stuff as well. With > old interfaces or the Open/LibreOffice interface, I can use my table stuff > or sorting stuff dropdown menu, or in the case of OpenOffice I’ve maybe got > a little floating toolbar for it. But my normal stuff toolbar is still > showing, so I can fiddle with it and then format it (set whether it’s > showing as dollars or euros, how many decimal points, center a heading, > whatever) and then fiddle with it some more. With the ribbon, every time I > do a different thing I have to switch back and forth, because with the > ribbon it’s basically like wiping out your toolbar and replacing it with a > different one every time you do something different. Another problem is > that for a lot of things to do with processing words, I actually prefer > thinking in terms of words to thinking in terms of fairly arbitrary little > pictures–go figure. So making it necessary to pick my actions from a large > spread of icons, even with a mouse-over so that if I hover over each icon I > will eventually probably figure out what I need, does not make me > enthused–I’d rather have the option of a relatively short list of words in > a dropdown menu, even if it means that menu might have to nest an extra > level. The ribbon in lots of ways really is a step down in interface design" > https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=11809 > > So, please, "just because everyone else is doing it" is not a valid > technical reason. Agreed. I never liked MacOS nor Windows GUIs -- despite all the paid propaganda targeted at the sheep by the respective plutocrats lauding their proprietary OSes; after IBM balked at the multiple petitions to have OS/2 open sourced, https://youtu.be/WYCFR-0N0b0
I went straight to Linux. i.e., I like Apache OO interface/GUI the way it is. > > Lots of atrocities were done in the name of progress. Many times it was > just a fad. > > FC -- Jose R R http://metztli.it --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Download Metztli Reiser4: Debian Buster w/ Linux 5.10.26 AMD64 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- feats ZSTD compression https://sf.net/projects/metztli-reiser4/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- or SFRN 5.1.3, Metztli Reiser5 https://sf.net/projects/debian-reiser4/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Official current Reiser4 resources: https://reiser4.wiki.kernel.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
