Hi Dave,

Can you explain?
I do not understand why Dave is angry. 
I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.

Thanks.
Peter

Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher <wave4d...@comcast.net>:
>I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.
>
>If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from 
>moderation.
>
>All the best,
>Dave
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel <matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I am not sure what happened here...
>> 
>> But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".
>> 
>> According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
>> should discuss if we need to remove his rights.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>    Matthias
>> 
>>> Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>> I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
>>> quit.
>>> 
>>> There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
>>> late for that.
>>> 
>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
>>>> had absolutely no sense of humour.
>>>> 
>>>> Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
>>>> have ever had contact with. So please do NOT!!!!! (expletives deleted)
>>>> talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
>>>> who they might be.
>>>> 
>>>> YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
>>>> on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".
>>>> 
>>>> Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
>>>> will now be directed to null/dev.
>>>> 
>>>> BYE AOO!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry, but you loose that bet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
>>>>>> installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
>>>>>> readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
>>>>>> 16Gb
>>>>>> RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
>>>>>> SOMETHING to assist Peter.
>>>>> I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> @Peter:
>>>>>> On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>> edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
>>>>>> to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there any difference between the RC and released code?
>>>>> No.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have never been a fan of GNOME.
>>>>>>> I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>> of people *are* using GNOME...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
>>>>>>>>> distributions when
>>>>>>>>> GNOME is used as DE.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:
>>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
>>>>>>>>>>> LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the document:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> My machine is an Intel I5, with 32GB, and SSD hard disk. (So
>>>>>>>>>>> recent fast
>>>>>>>>>>> machine)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if this will be of any help to you.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> My hardware spec is very similar to yours and I am  on Linux
>>>>>>>>>> Mint 20.3
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I don't get any (performance issues?) with your document in AOO
>>>>>>>>>> 4.1.13
>>>>>>>>>> (Released) and no crash when editing the OLE Calc object, with
>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>> AOO or LibreOffice on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> However, I do get a 100% reproducible crash when attempting to
>>>>>>>>>> edit the
>>>>>>>>>> OLE Calc object in your document with LibreOffice 7.3.5.2 x64
>>>>>>>>>> on Win 10,
>>>>>>>>>> but it does not crash LibreOffice 7.4.0.2 x64 on Win 10.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>> 
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