Agreed, let's make another thread. Unfortunately I just posted a response at the same time you did.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 9:27 AM Claude Warren, Jr <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually, let's close this discussion and open another on HOCON if you > want. I would like to see consensus achieved on this topic. > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 8:24 AM Claude Warren, Jr <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > What is HOCON? > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 8:07 AM Jean-Luc Deprez <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > >> I've actually made the sleeping bear analysis before executing and > >> accepted > >> the risk of landing the wrath of the community, because the bears would > >> get > >> some poking at some point and IMHO rather now then after 18 months of > >> work. > >> I don't know much about gorilla's. > >> > >> Anyhow, both on incubator general and in legal JIRA, there was just more > >> pushback. > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/qvscwtxp6b8kz5105fxhrf8f215px4tg > >> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-625?focusedCommentId=17630097&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-17630097 > >> > >> Noneone seems to want to state "it is THE LAW", but from within the > >> existing organization, I think it's safe to say ~ 9/10 are firmly > >> unfavorable and only one said it would be possible/not a dealbreaker. > >> > >> So it's probably safe to state org.apache.pekko will have to be it. > >> > >> So what about the even less popular idea: > >> > >> HOCON, as that translates to system properties, both of which suffer > from > >> the same namespace collision problems as packages. > >> > >> And it is way cheaper in HOCON. > >> > >> org.apache.pekko{ > >> ... > >> } > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:05 PM Claude Warren, Jr > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > Two lessons I have learned in all my years of software development. > >> > 1. Don't poke a sleeping bear. > >> > 2. Don't start dancing with a gorilla unless you are ready to dance > >> until > >> > the gorilla is finished. > >> > > >> > My suggestion: use the org.apache.pekko name, there will be plenty of > >> other > >> > bears and gorillas to play with later. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 8:11 AM Jean-Luc Deprez < > >> [email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > I observed the legal list was mostly driven by Jira, so I posted it > >> here > >> > > instead > >> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-625 > >> > > > >> > > The trademark one seems to be a "classic inbox", so I just sent a > >> mail. > >> > > 🤷♂️. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 8:37 AM Jean-Luc Deprez < > >> [email protected] > >> > > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > I'll reach out to both addresses provided by Justin, see if it can > >> be > >> > > > settled "quickly". > >> > > > > >> > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 8:30 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > >> [email protected]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> Hi, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> As Pekko is now a ASF project, it would be good to use > >> > > >> org.apache.pekko (like most of other projects). > >> > > >> > >> > > >> However, there is no "strong" enforcement by Apache here, so if > we > >> > > >> have a consensus to use pekko (short name), that's fine for me > too. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Regards > >> > > >> JB > >> > > >> > >> > > >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 10:41 PM PJ Fanning <[email protected] > > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi everyone, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > This issue could be contentious but it would be good to get > >> > agreement > >> > > >> so we can start making changes in the new git repos. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > There is discussion about the new package name for Scala/Java > >> > classes > >> > > >> at: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://github.com/mdedetrich/akka-apache-project/discussions/8#discussioncomment-3755587 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > A discussion among members of the Apache Incubator team can be > >> found > >> > > at: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/cjo86gdwvqlqslq68gd0c8hxq6ds6yrz > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I think it is fair to say that the vote is between 2 options: > >> > > >> > * pekko > >> > > >> > * org.apache.pekko > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I guess the aim would be to get people to vote for one or the > >> other. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > If there are no objections to this approach, I can call a vote > >> in a > >> > > few > >> > > >> days. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Ideally people would express their opinions in this thread and > >> when > >> > > the > >> > > >> vote is called, that mail email thread would just be for the > votes. > >> > Even > >> > > >> while the vote thread is open, people can still add their voice > to > >> > this > >> > > >> thread. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > PJ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > -- Matthew de Detrich *Aiven Deutschland GmbH* Immanuelkirchstraße 26, 10405 Berlin Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa & Hannu Valtonen *m:* +491603708037 *w:* aiven.io *e:* [email protected]
