👍 HOCON properties don't have to correspond to package names. Also, thus far I haven't seen paths like `org.apache.pekko` in HOCON.
I would have preferred `pekko` all over the place, as it makes migrations easier, a pretty good argument TBH, but we'll take what we can. On Tue, Nov 8, 2022, at 11:21, Jean-Luc Deprez wrote: > TBH, HOCON is an uphill battle too many. > With the short package names thing I felt like I was the only one pushing, > with this one I know I'm likely to be the only one with that opinion even. > > So I'm not going to open another thread for that. > > Let's just leave it at > package names and group IDs: org.apache.pekko > HOCON-key: pekko > > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 9:31 AM Matthew Benedict de Detrich > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Agreed, let's make another thread. Unfortunately I just posted a response >> at the same time you did. >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 9:27 AM Claude Warren, Jr >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Actually, let's close this discussion and open another on HOCON if you >> > want. I would like to see consensus achieved on this topic. >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 8:24 AM Claude Warren, Jr <[email protected] >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > What is HOCON? >> > > >> > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 8:07 AM Jean-Luc Deprez < >> [email protected] >> > > >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> I've actually made the sleeping bear analysis before executing and >> > >> accepted >> > >> the risk of landing the wrath of the community, because the bears >> would >> > >> get >> > >> some poking at some point and IMHO rather now then after 18 months of >> > >> work. >> > >> I don't know much about gorilla's. >> > >> >> > >> Anyhow, both on incubator general and in legal JIRA, there was just >> more >> > >> pushback. >> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/qvscwtxp6b8kz5105fxhrf8f215px4tg >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-625?focusedCommentId=17630097&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-17630097 >> > >> >> > >> Noneone seems to want to state "it is THE LAW", but from within the >> > >> existing organization, I think it's safe to say ~ 9/10 are firmly >> > >> unfavorable and only one said it would be possible/not a dealbreaker. >> > >> >> > >> So it's probably safe to state org.apache.pekko will have to be it. >> > >> >> > >> So what about the even less popular idea: >> > >> >> > >> HOCON, as that translates to system properties, both of which suffer >> > from >> > >> the same namespace collision problems as packages. >> > >> >> > >> And it is way cheaper in HOCON. >> > >> >> > >> org.apache.pekko{ >> > >> ... >> > >> } >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:05 PM Claude Warren, Jr >> > >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > Two lessons I have learned in all my years of software development. >> > >> > 1. Don't poke a sleeping bear. >> > >> > 2. Don't start dancing with a gorilla unless you are ready to dance >> > >> until >> > >> > the gorilla is finished. >> > >> > >> > >> > My suggestion: use the org.apache.pekko name, there will be plenty >> of >> > >> other >> > >> > bears and gorillas to play with later. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 8:11 AM Jean-Luc Deprez < >> > >> [email protected]> >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > I observed the legal list was mostly driven by Jira, so I posted >> it >> > >> here >> > >> > > instead >> > >> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-625 >> > >> > > >> > >> > > The trademark one seems to be a "classic inbox", so I just sent a >> > >> mail. >> > >> > > 🤷♂️. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 8:37 AM Jean-Luc Deprez < >> > >> [email protected] >> > >> > > >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I'll reach out to both addresses provided by Justin, see if it >> can >> > >> be >> > >> > > > settled "quickly". >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 8:30 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < >> > >> [email protected]> >> > >> > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> Hi, >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> As Pekko is now a ASF project, it would be good to use >> > >> > > >> org.apache.pekko (like most of other projects). >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> However, there is no "strong" enforcement by Apache here, so if >> > we >> > >> > > >> have a consensus to use pekko (short name), that's fine for me >> > too. >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> Regards >> > >> > > >> JB >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 10:41 PM PJ Fanning < >> [email protected] >> > > >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > This issue could be contentious but it would be good to get >> > >> > agreement >> > >> > > >> so we can start making changes in the new git repos. >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > There is discussion about the new package name for Scala/Java >> > >> > classes >> > >> > > >> at: >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> https://github.com/mdedetrich/akka-apache-project/discussions/8#discussioncomment-3755587 >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > A discussion among members of the Apache Incubator team can >> be >> > >> found >> > >> > > at: >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/cjo86gdwvqlqslq68gd0c8hxq6ds6yrz >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I think it is fair to say that the vote is between 2 options: >> > >> > > >> > * pekko >> > >> > > >> > * org.apache.pekko >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I guess the aim would be to get people to vote for one or the >> > >> other. >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > If there are no objections to this approach, I can call a >> vote >> > >> in a >> > >> > > few >> > >> > > >> days. >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Ideally people would express their opinions in this thread >> and >> > >> when >> > >> > > the >> > >> > > >> vote is called, that mail email thread would just be for the >> > votes. >> > >> > Even >> > >> > > >> while the vote thread is open, people can still add their voice >> > to >> > >> > this >> > >> > > >> thread. >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Regards, >> > >> > > >> > PJ >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> > >> > > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> > >> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> Matthew de Detrich >> >> *Aiven Deutschland GmbH* >> >> Immanuelkirchstraße 26, 10405 Berlin >> >> Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B >> >> Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa & Hannu Valtonen >> >> *m:* +491603708037 >> >> *w:* aiven.io *e:* [email protected] >> -- Alexandru Nedelcu alexn.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
