The competitive landscape is most definitely broader than just Swing/JavaFX. I doubt that Pivot will appeal to .NET users, but Flex and GWT developers are certainly also in Pivot's target market.
On Aug 2, 2010, at 9:57 PM, aappddeevv wrote: > Do you think that if someone has to move from Swing to JavaFX, that the > decision will then become bigger--does the entire UI stack come under > scrutiny? E.g. if I have to have to move from Swing, perhaps I should > consider a wider variety of toolkits other than JavaFX? If so, the > competition is bigger than swingers and the migration benefits story may > need to be different because component reuse may not be the key factor and > reskilling may not be critical. > > I don't know the answer. Most likely new pivot developers have a swing > background but I am not sure there is a linkage beyond that. > > If integrating somewhat with swing brings a wider variety of components > available, that does not seem so bad. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Brown [mailto:gkbr...@mac.com] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 1:58 PM > To: u...@pivot.apache.org > Cc: dev@pivot.apache.org > Subject: Re: [RFC] Swing interop features > > Yeah, writing a L&F is not a trivial task. But it is doable, and may be > worthwhile if it helps attract new developers. > > My primary goal in improving Swing support is to give developers another > reason to consider Pivot over JavaFX, which apparently doesn't provide any > migration path from Swing. Swing developers constitute a large percentage of > Pivot's target audience, so making it easier for them to switch to Pivot > seems like a good idea. > > Anyone else want to comment? > > > On Aug 2, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Noel Grandin wrote: > >> Greg Brown wrote: >>>> Visual consistency is a double edged sword. If things are obviously > different, people live with it, but once you start >>>> down the road towards consistency, users will get pickier and pickier. >>> My idea was to back the L&F with the actual Terra skins, so in theory > they should look exactly the same. >>> >> Sounds like a good idea. But quite a lot of work. The Swing skin class > code is pretty messy inside. >>>> I would rather we simply focussed on improving the Pivot L&F - for > example, the default fonts are completely wrong on my >>>> desktop. >>> Can you elaborate? The default font is Verdana, which (IMO) looks pretty > good across all platforms. What font would you prefer to use? >>> >>> What other suggestions do you have for improving Terra? The feedback I > have gotten recently is that the current L&F is actually pretty good. >>> >> The font size is wrong. We run a lot of large screens at high resolution > resolution here, so it's not uncommon for the >> font size to be non-default. >> >> Pivot in general looks pretty good by itself, but because it doesn't use > the default system font, and it doesn't use it >> at the correct size, it tends to be the odd one out when used in > conjunction with other stuff. >
