Hi Sijie, I only see one of two possible explanations for your latest responses in this thread.
Either you legitimately don't see how SN's marketing is tantamount to influence pedaling and how it's at odds with The Apache Way. That would be deeply concerning given that the problem is immediately evident to every non-SN person who has commented on the subject. As a PMC member the community counts on you to uphold Apache brand guidelines and policies and you would certainly be failing in your duties if you are genuinely unable to understand why there is a problem here. The other explanation is that you understand perfectly well what the problem is, but refuse to acknowledge it and refuse to take action to fix the situation. This is even more concerning since it suggests that you are willing to abuse your position on the PMC to advance your own business interests at the expense of the community. Even worse, you're willing to misrepresent and deceive the community with disingenuous explanations in order to do so. Frankly, either of these explanations call into question your fitness to carry out your duties as a PMC member for this project and to represent the Apache Pulsar community in your current capacity. Chris On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:44 PM Joshua Eric <joshuae...@gmail.com> wrote: > That is an additional problem, that a PMC member doesn’t see an issue with > an SN employee promoting a new SN hire. > > At least half a dozen people join the community daily. Why aren’t we > celebrating all of them? No offense, but why is Dave special? > > Chris, couldn’t have said it better myself. > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:00 PM Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I don't understand what is the problem with that email title. > > > > I thought that's Yu invited a co-worker to participate in the Pulsar > > community. There is no announcement. But I will let Yu clarify here. > > > > - Sijie > > > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:43 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically > > > announce > > > > new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires. > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "announce new community members"? > > > > > > The email with the subject: "Welcome Dave Duggins to Pulsar community!" > > > > > > > > > > > - Sijie > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:02 AM Joshua Eric <joshuae...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I agree with Dave. > > > >> > > > >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically > > > announce > > > >> new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires. > > > >> > > > >> On Dec 9, 2021 at 3:24:29 PM, Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out > > > >> insights > > > >>> on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog > posts, > > we > > > >>> have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel. > > > >>> > > > >>> - Sijie > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> OK. I see the new name. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news > > > >> without > > > >>> > > > >>> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djw...@streamnative.io > > > >> .INVALID > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done. > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> Best, > > > >>> > > > >>>> Dianjin Wang > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>> Hi Dave, > > > >>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time). > > > >>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>> - Sijie > > > >>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher < > wave4d...@comcast.net> > > > >>> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> Hi Sijie, > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There > > was > > > a > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that > > > too. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> Best Regards, > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> Dave > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> Dave, > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is > > fixing > > > >> it. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> - Sijie > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> This is great news! > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the > > Apache > > > >>> > > > >>> Way > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the > > community. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly > > with > > > >>> > > > >>>>> Pulsar > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new > project > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> updates, > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us: > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> ambassa...@streamnative.io > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and > > only > > > >>> > > > >>>>> place > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar > community. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific > > “Ambassador” > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> program > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of > > the > > > >>> > > > >>>>> true > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] > > And > > > >>> > > > >>> more > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3] > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ > > Apache > > > >>> > > > >>>>> PMCs. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions > of > > > >> roles > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> [4]. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these > roles. > > A > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> project > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5] > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> All The Best, > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> Dave > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> [1] > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/ > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> [2] > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> [5] > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts, > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a > > > >>> > > > >>>>> top-level > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We > would > > > >> like > > > >>> > > > >>>>> to > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More > > > >>> > > > >>> importantly, > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for > > > >> making > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> this > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> happen! > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community: > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent > > updates, > > > >>> > > > >>> and > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> future plans, see here. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Anonymitaet > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
