Thanks for clarifying Piotr. That one at least worked it seems.
I saw the problem elsewhere and first time it was because the compiler
build had required changes and did not complete before the framework.
The others have some issues, but I don't think it is related to my latest
changes , because it seems to be the same issue as previous fails. I will
try to figure those out tomorrow some time if I can.

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 5:08 PM Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Greg,
>
> I was thinking about ant build on Jenkins [1]. I didn't check Maven build
> in a while.
>
> [1]
>
> http://apacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/royale-asjs_jsonly/changes
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 6:48 AM Greg Dove <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Piotr, I hope I addressed the issue, but waiting to see...
> > It looks like it has been unstable for last 7 days , am I reading that
> > right? https://builds.apache.org/job/Royale-asjs/
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 4:30 PM Greg Dove <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Working on it!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 4:29 PM Piotr Zarzycki <
> > [email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Greg,
> > >>
> > >> After your merge the goal should be that build on Jenkins is working
> > fine.
> > >> Please make sure that is happen.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Piotr
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 5:32 AM Greg Dove <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I will stick with the plan of single commit, I think it should be
> > easier
> > >> > for you if there are any conflicts.
> > >> > Last build testing is running now in local develop. I will push
> after
> > >> > that...
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:15 PM Greg Dove <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks Alex, I was planning to merge this as a single squashed
> > commit,
> > >> > > because it isolates all the changes to a single commit (but this
> > will
> > >> > mean
> > >> > > there are many changes in one hit).
> > >> > > Do you have a preference in terms of how easy it will make things
> > for
> > >> > you?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:07 PM Alex Harui
> <[email protected]
> > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> OK, I will wait to see your commit emails.  I will do some other
> > >> things
> > >> > >> like the wiki doc.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> -Alex
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On 6/10/19, 8:06 PM, "Greg Dove" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>     Hi Alex, I guess you might be back on Royale about now. Just
> a
> > >> heads
> > >> > >> up: I
> > >> > >>     am about 20-30 mins max from merging in what I have. Hope
> > that's
> > >> > still
> > >> > >>     ok... please let me know if not.
> > >> > >>     Thanks,
> > >> > >>     -Greg
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>     On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:51 AM Greg Dove <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>     >
> > >> > >>     > Thanks Alex - I'll try to hit the window, much appreciated!
> > >> > >>     >
> > >> > >>     >
> > >> > >>     > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:57 AM Alex Harui
> > >> > <[email protected]
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >>     > wrote:
> > >> > >>     >
> > >> > >>     >> Hi Greg,
> > >> > >>     >>
> > >> > >>     >> It turns out I have a "split shift" today.  I'm stopping
> > work
> > >> for
> > >> > >> the
> > >> > >>     >> next 7 or 8 hours then will get around to the merge.  So
> if
> > >> you
> > >> > >> can get
> > >> > >>     >> your changes merged in that amount of time, then I will
> wait
> > >> for
> > >> > >> you and
> > >> > >>     >> deal with any merge conflicts (there are almost certain to
> > be
> > >> > >> some).
> > >> > >>     >>
> > >> > >>     >> -Alex
> > >> > >>     >>
> > >> > >>     >> On 6/10/19, 11:46 AM, "Greg Dove" <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>
> > >> > >>     >>     Alex, slightly OT, but in terms of coordination: fyi I
> > am
> > >> > also
> > >> > >> very
> > >> > >>     >> close
> > >> > >>     >>     to merging the language improvements branch into
> > develop.
> > >> As
> > >> > I
> > >> > >> already
> > >> > >>     >>     mentioned elsewhere, I was hoping to do that a couple
> of
> > >> days
> > >> > >> back,
> > >> > >>     >> but
> > >> > >>     >>     some recent things also took me a little longer than
> > >> expected
> > >> > >> (I have
> > >> > >>     >>     additional local changes/fixes not yet in remote
> branch)
> > >> . I
> > >> > >> was
> > >> > >>     >> planning
> > >> > >>     >>     to merge that today also.
> > >> > >>     >>
> > >> > >>     >>     However, I will wait until after your merge, so I'm
> > hoping
> > >> > you
> > >> > >> can get
> > >> > >>     >>     yours in today (if not, I will wait). I will probably
> > put
> > >> > mine
> > >> > >> in as a
> > >> > >>     >>     squashed commit after yours.
> > >> > >>     >>
> > >> > >>     >>
> > >> > >>     >>     On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:05 AM Piotr Zarzycki <
> > >> > >>     >> [email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >>     wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>
> > >> > >>     >>     > Hi Alex,
> > >> > >>     >>     >
> > >> > >>     >>     > Many thanks for that! I will try to be RM. I will
> have
> > >> some
> > >> > >>     >> dedicated time
> > >> > >>     >>     > for that. I will wait for your instruction and merge
> > to
> > >> > >> develop.
> > >> > >>     >>     >
> > >> > >>     >>     > Thanks,
> > >> > >>     >>     > Piotr
> > >> > >>     >>     >
> > >> > >>     >>     >
> > >> > >>     >>     > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 7:31 PM Alex Harui
> > >> > >> <[email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >> wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     >
> > >> > >>     >>     > > Well, that turned out to be much more
> time-consuming
> > >> > than I
> > >> > >>     >> expected, but
> > >> > >>     >>     > > we can now create identical release artifacts on
> Mac
> > >> and
> > >> > >> Win.  I
> > >> > >>     >> am
> > >> > >>     >>     > hopeful
> > >> > >>     >>     > > this effort will pay off not only now in having
> > other
> > >> > folks
> > >> > >>     >> generate
> > >> > >>     >>     > > releases, but also in the future if signed
> binaries
> > >> > become
> > >> > >> a
> > >> > >>     >> requirement.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > > There continues to be a lot of distractions in my
> > life
> > >> > >> that can
> > >> > >>     >> cause
> > >> > >>     >>     > > delays, but I hope to merge the release_practice
> > >> branches
> > >> > >> into
> > >> > >>     >> develop
> > >> > >>     >>     > over
> > >> > >>     >>     > > the next day or two and figure out where in the
> wiki
> > >> to
> > >> > >> document
> > >> > >>     >> the
> > >> > >>     >>     > > release process.  So, now is the time for one or
> > more
> > >> > >> people to
> > >> > >>     >> step up
> > >> > >>     >>     > to
> > >> > >>     >>     > > be the RMs for 0.9.6 and help debug and improve
> the
> > >> > >> process.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > > I am going to try very hard not to "own" the
> > >> process.  If
> > >> > >>     >> something goes
> > >> > >>     >>     > > wrong, I am going to ask others to try to debug
> and
> > >> fix
> > >> > it
> > >> > >> first
> > >> > >>     >> because
> > >> > >>     >>     > it
> > >> > >>     >>     > > is in the project's best interests for others to
> > truly
> > >> > >> understand
> > >> > >>     >> how
> > >> > >>     >>     > this
> > >> > >>     >>     > > stuff works.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > > Thanks,
> > >> > >>     >>     > > -Alex
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > > On 5/23/19, 9:54 AM, "Alex Harui"
> > >> > <[email protected]
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >>     >> wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >     It has turned out to be harder than expected
> to
> > >> get
> > >> > >> the same
> > >> > >>     >> binaries
> > >> > >>     >>     > > on Mac and Win.  I now have the identical binaries
> > for
> > >> > >>     >> royale-compiler
> > >> > >>     >>     > and
> > >> > >>     >>     > > royale-typedefs Maven artifacts and am starting on
> > >> > >> royale-asjs.
> > >> > >>     >> I might
> > >> > >>     >>     > > get lucky and the changes that fixed
> royale-typedefs
> > >> SWCs
> > >> > >> will
> > >> > >>     >> magically
> > >> > >>     >>     > > get the royale-asjs SWCs to match.  Then we have
> to
> > >> make
> > >> > >> the Ant
> > >> > >>     >>     > artifacts
> > >> > >>     >>     > > match.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >     There have been a lot of distractions in my
> > >> non-work
> > >> > >> life
> > >> > >>     >> which has
> > >> > >>     >>     > > also impeded progress.  I hope to make much
> progress
> > >> this
> > >> > >> coming
> > >> > >>     >> week and
> > >> > >>     >>     > > if we're lucky, I will be asking for a volunteer
> (or
> > >> > >> volunteers)
> > >> > >>     >> to test
> > >> > >>     >>     > > drive all of this stuff and be the RM for 0.9.6.
> I
> > am
> > >> > not
> > >> > >> going
> > >> > >>     >> to be
> > >> > >>     >>     > the
> > >> > >>     >>     > > RM.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >     -Alex
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >     On 5/23/19, 9:39 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> > >> > >>     >> [email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >>     > > wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         Hi Alex,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         It's been a while since you have started
> > >> effort
> > >> > >> with
> > >> > >>     >> automating
> > >> > >>     >>     > > build.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         Where are you with that ? Are we closer to
> > >> > started
> > >> > >> 0.9.6.
> > >> > >>     >> Do you
> > >> > >>     >>     > > need any
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         help with this ?
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         Thanks,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         Piotr
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         wt., 2 kwi 2019 o 19:30 Alex Harui
> > >> > >>     >> <[email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >>     > > napisał(a):
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Update:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > In order to make verification of binary
> > >> release
> > >> > >> packages
> > >> > >>     >>     > created
> > >> > >>     >>     > > on the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > server easier, I have made changes to
> our
> > >> build
> > >> > >> scripts
> > >> > >>     >> and
> > >> > >>     >>     > > tools to try to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > generate reproducible binaries.  I've
> seen
> > >> two
> > >> > >>     >> different builds
> > >> > >>     >>     > > compare on
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > my Mac.   The next challenge will be to
> > see
> > >> if
> > >> > >> the
> > >> > >>     >> server can
> > >> > >>     >>     > > build a
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > package on Windows that will compare on
> > Mac.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > One of the changes I needed to make is
> to
> > >> > >> JBurg.  The
> > >> > >>     >> version
> > >> > >>     >>     > of
> > >> > >>     >>     > > JBurg we
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > use generates method names including a
> > hash
> > >> > that
> > >> > >> doesn't
> > >> > >>     >>     > > reproduce the same
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > name each time.  I have changes to JBurg
> > >> ready,
> > >> > >> however
> > >> > >>     >> JBurg
> > >> > >>     >>     > is
> > >> > >>     >>     > > currently
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > under CPL which is category B.  We only
> > need
> > >> > one
> > >> > >> file,
> > >> > >>     >> we don't
> > >> > >>     >>     > > need or
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > want all of JBurg at this time.  The one
> > >> JBurg
> > >> > >> file is
> > >> > >>     >> jointly
> > >> > >>     >>     > > owned by
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Adobe and Tom Harwood.  I've contact Tom
> > >> and he
> > >> > >> will be
> > >> > >>     >> filing
> > >> > >>     >>     > > an ICLA and
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > has given me permission to commit the
> > lines
> > >> he
> > >> > >> owns in
> > >> > >>     >> that one
> > >> > >>     >>     > > file.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > This is the revision of the file that
> will
> > >> be
> > >> > >> donated by
> > >> > >>     >>     > > Tom/Adobe.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     >
> > >> > >>     >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
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> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Once this file goes in with the changes
> to
> > >> keep
> > >> > >> the
> > >> > >>     >> method
> > >> > >>     >>     > names
> > >> > >>     >>     > > the same,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > there will be more tweaks to the release
> > >> tasks
> > >> > >> and then
> > >> > >>     >> we can
> > >> > >>     >>     > > try cutting
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > a release.  I'm thinking we'll be at
> that
> > >> point
> > >> > >> in
> > >> > >>     >> early May,
> > >> > >>     >>     > so
> > >> > >>     >>     > > now is the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > time to get stuff in for the 0.9.6
> > release.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Thanks,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > -Alex
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > On 3/8/19, 9:27 AM, "Alex Harui" <
> > >> > >> [email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >> wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >     I would much rather have others find
> > and
> > >> > fix
> > >> > >> issues
> > >> > >>     >>     > > themselves.  That
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > way, more people than just me will know
> > how
> > >> to
> > >> > >> maintain
> > >> > >>     >> the
> > >> > >>     >>     > > system.  It
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > actually turns out that, IMO, a group of
> > >> people
> > >> > >> can
> > >> > >>     >> work on the
> > >> > >>     >>     > > release.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > There are 14 steps.  Literally, 14
> > different
> > >> > >> people
> > >> > >>     >> could
> > >> > >>     >>     > > execute one step
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > each.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >     My 2 cents,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >     -Alex
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >     On 3/8/19, 2:13 AM, "Carlos Rovira"
> <
> > >> > >>     >>     > [email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >>     > > wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         Hi Alex,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         amazing work! congrats to reach
> to
> > >> this
> > >> > >> point!
> > >> > >>     >> :)
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         I need to put my head on all of
> > >> this,
> > >> > >> but count
> > >> > >>     >> on me
> > >> > >>     >>     > to
> > >> > >>     >>     > > be a RM.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > I think
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         the best thing should be that
> you
> > be
> > >> > the
> > >> > >> first
> > >> > >>     >> RM to
> > >> > >>     >>     > try
> > >> > >>     >>     > > your own
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         development at least for the
> first
> > >> > time,
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >>     >> then the
> > >> > >>     >>     > > rest of us
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > will
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         follow you on the next releases.
> > >> With
> > >> > >> all this
> > >> > >>     >> on place
> > >> > >>     >>     > > we maybe
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > could
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         release once a month or every
> two
> > >> > >> months...
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         Thanks for doing this :)
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         Carlos
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         El vie., 8 mar. 2019 a las 1:55,
> > >> Alex
> > >> > >> Harui
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > (<[email protected]>)
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         escribió:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > OK, I've now seen Jenkins
> > perform
> > >> the
> > >> > >> steps
> > >> > >>     >> to build
> > >> > >>     >>     > > the release
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > artifacts.  Folks interested
> in
> > >> > >> Docker-izing
> > >> > >>     >> the
> > >> > >>     >>     > steps
> > >> > >>     >>     > > are
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > welcome to look
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > at the jobs on the "Royale
> > >> Release"
> > >> > >> tab on
> > >> > >>     >> the CI
> > >> > >>     >>     > > server.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     >
> > >> > >>     >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
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> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > These steps assume that the RM
> > can
> > >> > run
> > >> > >> the
> > >> > >>     >> basic
> > >> > >>     >>     > Maven
> > >> > >>     >>     > > and Ant
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > build on
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > the RM's computer. I think
> > that's
> > >> a
> > >> > >> fair
> > >> > >>     >> requirement
> > >> > >>     >>     > > since all
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > of us on the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > PMC need to able to do that to
> > >> build
> > >> > >> the RC
> > >> > >>     >> in order
> > >> > >>     >>     > > to vote on
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > it.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >  Jenkins does other tasks like
> > run
> > >> > the
> > >> > >> Maven
> > >> > >>     >> release
> > >> > >>     >>     > > plugin
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > steps.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Currently that results in
> > >> binaries on
> > >> > >> Jenkins
> > >> > >>     >> that
> > >> > >>     >>     > are
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > downloaded to the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > RM's computer.  These binaries
> > >> need
> > >> > to
> > >> > >> be
> > >> > >>     >> verified by
> > >> > >>     >>     > > the RM
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > which is the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > next phase I will be starting
> on
> > >> now.
> > >> > >> The RM
> > >> > >>     >>     > verifies
> > >> > >>     >>     > > the bits
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > and then
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > PGP signs them.  And then the
> > bits
> > >> > are
> > >> > >>     >> uploaded off
> > >> > >>     >>     > > the RM's
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > computer to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Maven Staging or dist.a.o/dev.
> > >>  If
> > >> > >> that
> > >> > >>     >> uploading
> > >> > >>     >>     > > turns out to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > be a point
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > of failure, we have the option
> > of
> > >> > >> having
> > >> > >>     >> Jenkins
> > >> > >>     >>     > > upload the big
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > files and
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > have the RM only upload PGP
> > >> signature
> > >> > >> files.
> > >> > >>     >> Or
> > >> > >>     >>     > > finding a way
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > for Jenkins
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to get the signature files
> from
> > >> the
> > >> > >> RM.  The
> > >> > >>     >> uploads
> > >> > >>     >>     > > worked fine
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > for me,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > but then again, so did the old
> > >> > script's
> > >> > >>     >> uploads.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Therefore, once I get the
> binary
> > >> > >> verification
> > >> > >>     >> phase
> > >> > >>     >>     > > completed, I
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > think
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > someone other than me should
> be
> > >> the
> > >> > RM
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >>     >> try to use
> > >> > >>     >>     > > these
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > steps to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > generate the release and help
> > >> debug
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>     >> process for
> > >> > >>     >>     > > the next
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > RM.  So,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > please try to carve out some
> > time
> > >> to
> > >> > >> be the
> > >> > >>     >> RM.  One
> > >> > >>     >>     > > advantage
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > of doing
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > most of the work on Jenkins is
> > >> that
> > >> > it
> > >> > >> frees
> > >> > >>     >> up my
> > >> > >>     >>     > > computer to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > do other
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > things while Jenkins is
> cranking
> > >> > away.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > I think we're at least a week
> > away
> > >> > >> from binary
> > >> > >>     >>     > > verification,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > maybe two, so
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > it is time to start thinking
> > about
> > >> > >> what is
> > >> > >>     >> going in
> > >> > >>     >>     > > this release.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Thanks,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > -Alex
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > On 3/7/19, 4:15 PM, "Alex
> Harui"
> > >> > >>     >>     > > <[email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     In case you haven't
> guessed,
> > >> I'm
> > >> > >> testing
> > >> > >>     >> out
> > >> > >>     >>     > > Jenkins and its
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > ability
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to create the artifacts and
> send
> > >> > >> emails.
> > >> > >>     >> Please
> > >> > >>     >>     > > ignore any
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > email that
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > looks like a vote or discuss
> > >> thread.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     Thanks,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     -Alex
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     On 2/10/19, 8:44 PM, "Alex
> > >> Harui"
> > >> > >>     >>     > > <[email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Om,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Well, that's what I
> used
> > >> for
> > >> > >> the last
> > >> > >>     >>     > > release.  I'm sure
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > there is
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > probably some inaccuracy in
> it.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         That said, I'm
> > abandoning
> > >> > that
> > >> > >>     >> document and
> > >> > >>     >>     > > taking a new
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > angle
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > because that document presumed
> > >> that
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>     >> release
> > >> > >>     >>     > > manager was
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > trying to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > create a release on his/her
> > >> computer.
> > >> > >> I've
> > >> > >>     >> given up
> > >> > >>     >>     > > on that and
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > working on
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > making releases from a shared
> > >> > computer
> > >> > >> for the
> > >> > >>     >>     > reasons
> > >> > >>     >>     > > I've
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > stated
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > upthread.  I hope to make some
> > >> > >> progress on
> > >> > >>     >> that this
> > >> > >>     >>     > > week.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         The key difference is
> > that
> > >> > the
> > >> > >> new
> > >> > >>     >> angle does
> > >> > >>     >>     > > not
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > presume that you
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > have Git SSH and PGP
> signatures
> > >> all
> > >> > >> set up on
> > >> > >>     >> some
> > >> > >>     >>     > > computer.  I
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > have not
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > looked into how Docker would
> > >> handle
> > >> > >> that.  You
> > >> > >>     >>     > > certainly
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > wouldn't want the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Docker image to contain your
> SSH
> > >> or
> > >> > PGP
> > >> > >>     >> keys/creds.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >  And if the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Docker
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > image doesn't, then that is
> > >> another
> > >> > >> stumbling
> > >> > >>     >> block
> > >> > >>     >>     > > for future
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > RMs.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         The other key
> difference
> > >> is
> > >> > >> that the
> > >> > >>     >> old
> > >> > >>     >>     > > script presumed
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > you could
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > create the 3 release in 3 huge
> > >> "easy"
> > >> > >> steps.
> > >> > >>     >> We've
> > >> > >>     >>     > > seen that is
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > only true
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > for me.  So the new angle
> > creates
> > >> > many
> > >> > >>     >> discrete steps
> > >> > >>     >>     > > managed by
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Jenkins.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         So, it is up to you to
> > >> decide
> > >> > >> what
> > >> > >>     >> you want
> > >> > >>     >>     > to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > "Docker-ize".  You
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > can try to Docker-ize the
> > current
> > >> 3
> > >> > big
> > >> > >>     >> steps, so RMs
> > >> > >>     >>     > > can try to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > run it on
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > their systems, but I'd bet
> they
> > >> will
> > >> > >> just
> > >> > >>     >> faiI due to
> > >> > >>     >>     > > network
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > issues.  I
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > would be interested in using
> > >> Docker
> > >> > to
> > >> > >> make
> > >> > >>     >> each of
> > >> > >>     >>     > > these many
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > discrete
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > steps portable to another
> > server.
> > >> > >>  I'm not
> > >> > >>     >> going to
> > >> > >>     >>     > > involve
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Docker at this
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > point.  My main goal is just
> to
> > >> see
> > >> > if
> > >> > >> I can
> > >> > >>     >> create a
> > >> > >>     >>     > > workflow
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > of many
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > discrete steps that isn't
> > horribly
> > >> > >> painful.
> > >> > >>     >> Once we
> > >> > >>     >>     > > see what
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > these steps
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > turn out to be, then we can
> > worry
> > >> > >> about server
> > >> > >>     >>     > > portability of
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > those steps.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Either way, we want to
> > >> know
> > >> > >> about
> > >> > >>     >> running
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Browser+Selenium for
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > sure.  And maybe
> > >> FlashPlayerDebugger
> > >> > >> or AIR.
> > >> > >>     >> I would
> > >> > >>     >>     > > want to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > know, for
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > example, how you debug a
> failing
> > >> > >> checkintest
> > >> > >>     >> in a
> > >> > >>     >>     > > Docker
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > container.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Thanks,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         -Alex
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         On 2/10/19, 5:18 PM,
> > >> > "OmPrakash
> > >> > >>     >> Muppirala" <
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > [email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Alex,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Just to be clear,
> I
> > am
> > >> > >> following
> > >> > >>     >> the
> > >> > >>     >>     > steps
> > >> > >>     >>     > > from here
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > to try
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > and setup a
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             docker container.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     >
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
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> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Is this doc up to
> > >> date?
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Thanks,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Om
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             On Wed, Feb 6,
> 2019
> > at
> > >> > >> 12:02 PM
> > >> > >>     >> OmPrakash
> > >> > >>     >>     > > Muppirala <
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > [email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > One approach is
> to
> > >> have
> > >> > >> each
> > >> > >>     >> step in
> > >> > >>     >>     > the
> > >> > >>     >>     > > process
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > spin up a
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > docker image.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > And use
> > >> docker-compose
> > >> > >> to run
> > >> > >>     >> each
> > >> > >>     >>     > > step.  All the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > images can
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > be made to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > share a common
> > >> volume
> > >> > >> where all
> > >> > >>     >> the
> > >> > >>     >>     > > artifacts are
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > stored
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > across steps.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > You are right
> > about
> > >> the
> > >> > >>     >> networking
> > >> > >>     >>     > issue
> > >> > >>     >>     > > though.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > Any
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > network related
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > failure that
> > occurs
> > >> on
> > >> > >> the host
> > >> > >>     >> machine
> > >> > >>     >>     > > will most
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > likely
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > occur in the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > docker
> container.
> > >> > >> Although, I
> > >> > >>     >> am not
> > >> > >>     >>     > > clear how we
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > can
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > guarantee that the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > same issues will
> > not
> > >> > >> occur on
> > >> > >>     >> the
> > >> > >>     >>     > > Jenkins server.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > I mean,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > what is special
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > about the
> Jenkins
> > >> > server
> > >> > >> that
> > >> > >>     >> makes it
> > >> > >>     >>     > > immune to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > these
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > networking issues?
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > Thanks,
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > Om
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > On Wed, Feb 6,
> > 2019
> > >> at
> > >> > >> 11:48 AM
> > >> > >>     >> Alex
> > >> > >>     >>     > > Harui
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > <[email protected]>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> Again, I don't
> > know
> > >> > >> anything
> > >> > >>     >> about
> > >> > >>     >>     > > Docker, but
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > before we
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > spend a lot of
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> time on
> Docker, I
> > >> also
> > >> > >> want to
> > >> > >>     >> point
> > >> > >>     >>     > > out that the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > process
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to create a
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> release cannot
> > >> really
> > >> > be
> > >> > >>     >> thought of as
> > >> > >>     >>     > > "one
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > application".
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > It will be a
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> series of
> "steps"
> > >> to
> > >> > >> run.
> > >> > >>     >> How many
> > >> > >>     >>     > > steps
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > depends on
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > whether we think we
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> can isolate
> > enough
> > >> > >> stuff via
> > >> > >>     >> Docker to
> > >> > >>     >>     > > be able to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > run
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Docker on the RM's
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> computer
> instead
> > of
> > >> > >> some shared
> > >> > >>     >>     > > computer.  On a
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > shared
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > computer there will
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> be dozens of
> > steps
> > >> > >> because the
> > >> > >>     >> RM will
> > >> > >>     >>     > > need to
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > enter
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > passwords to commit
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> stuff.  On a
> > local
> > >> > >> computer I
> > >> > >>     >> guess
> > >> > >>     >>     > the
> > >> > >>     >>     > > RM can
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > supply
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > passwords but I think
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> there will be
> > >> stopping
> > >> > >> points
> > >> > >>     >> where
> > >> > >>     >>     > the
> > >> > >>     >>     > > Maven
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > artifacts are
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > deployed and
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> the staging
> repo
> > is
> > >> > >> closed, and
> > >> > >>     >>     > another
> > >> > >>     >>     > > stopping
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > point for
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > the vote.  It
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> seems like
> Docker
> > >> > works
> > >> > >> by
> > >> > >>     >> downloading
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > dependencies.  Given
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > that the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> problem the RMs
> > had
> > >> > >> last time
> > >> > >>     >> involved
> > >> > >>     >>     > > downloads
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > and
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > uploads, why do we
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> think Docker
> will
> > >> > >> really solve
> > >> > >>     >> this
> > >> > >>     >>     > for
> > >> > >>     >>     > > creating
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > releases
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > on local machines?
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> The reason to
> do
> > >> this
> > >> > >> on a
> > >> > >>     >> shared
> > >> > >>     >>     > > machine is so
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > that new
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > RMs don't have
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> to do as much
> > >> setup.
> > >> > >> But then
> > >> > >>     >> I
> > >> > >>     >>     > wonder
> > >> > >>     >>     > > about the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > efficiency of kicking off
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> that many
> Docker
> > >> > images.
> > >> > >>     >> Jenkins can
> > >> > >>     >>     > > manage that
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > already.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Does Docker
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> have some sort
> of
> > >> > >> similar
> > >> > >>     >> Dashboard or
> > >> > >>     >>     > > would we
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > use Jenkins
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to kick off
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> Docker steps?
> I
> > >> can't
> > >> > >> quite
> > >> > >>     >> picture
> > >> > >>     >>     > > what is the
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > outermost
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > control/dashboard.
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> -Alex
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> On 2/6/19,
> 11:03
> > >> AM,
> > >> > >> "Harbs" <
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     A quick
> > search
> > >> > >> turns up
> > >> > >>     >> this:
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     >
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
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> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> <
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >> > >>     >>     > >
> > >> > >>     >>     >
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
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