Working on it!

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 4:29 PM Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> After your merge the goal should be that build on Jenkins is working fine.
> Please make sure that is happen.
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 5:32 AM Greg Dove <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I will stick with the plan of single commit, I think it should be easier
> > for you if there are any conflicts.
> > Last build testing is running now in local develop. I will push after
> > that...
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:15 PM Greg Dove <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks Alex, I was planning to merge this as a single squashed commit,
> > > because it isolates all the changes to a single commit (but this will
> > mean
> > > there are many changes in one hit).
> > > Do you have a preference in terms of how easy it will make things for
> > you?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:07 PM Alex Harui <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> OK, I will wait to see your commit emails.  I will do some other
> things
> > >> like the wiki doc.
> > >>
> > >> -Alex
> > >>
> > >> On 6/10/19, 8:06 PM, "Greg Dove" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>     Hi Alex, I guess you might be back on Royale about now. Just a
> heads
> > >> up: I
> > >>     am about 20-30 mins max from merging in what I have. Hope that's
> > still
> > >>     ok... please let me know if not.
> > >>     Thanks,
> > >>     -Greg
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:51 AM Greg Dove <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>     >
> > >>     > Thanks Alex - I'll try to hit the window, much appreciated!
> > >>     >
> > >>     >
> > >>     > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:57 AM Alex Harui
> > <[email protected]
> > >> >
> > >>     > wrote:
> > >>     >
> > >>     >> Hi Greg,
> > >>     >>
> > >>     >> It turns out I have a "split shift" today.  I'm stopping work
> for
> > >> the
> > >>     >> next 7 or 8 hours then will get around to the merge.  So if you
> > >> can get
> > >>     >> your changes merged in that amount of time, then I will wait
> for
> > >> you and
> > >>     >> deal with any merge conflicts (there are almost certain to be
> > >> some).
> > >>     >>
> > >>     >> -Alex
> > >>     >>
> > >>     >> On 6/10/19, 11:46 AM, "Greg Dove" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>     >>
> > >>     >>     Alex, slightly OT, but in terms of coordination: fyi I am
> > also
> > >> very
> > >>     >> close
> > >>     >>     to merging the language improvements branch into develop.
> As
> > I
> > >> already
> > >>     >>     mentioned elsewhere, I was hoping to do that a couple of
> days
> > >> back,
> > >>     >> but
> > >>     >>     some recent things also took me a little longer than
> expected
> > >> (I have
> > >>     >>     additional local changes/fixes not yet in remote branch) .
> I
> > >> was
> > >>     >> planning
> > >>     >>     to merge that today also.
> > >>     >>
> > >>     >>     However, I will wait until after your merge, so I'm hoping
> > you
> > >> can get
> > >>     >>     yours in today (if not, I will wait). I will probably put
> > mine
> > >> in as a
> > >>     >>     squashed commit after yours.
> > >>     >>
> > >>     >>
> > >>     >>     On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:05 AM Piotr Zarzycki <
> > >>     >> [email protected]>
> > >>     >>     wrote:
> > >>     >>
> > >>     >>     > Hi Alex,
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>     >>     > Many thanks for that! I will try to be RM. I will have
> some
> > >>     >> dedicated time
> > >>     >>     > for that. I will wait for your instruction and merge to
> > >> develop.
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>     >>     > Thanks,
> > >>     >>     > Piotr
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>     >>     > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 7:31 PM Alex Harui
> > >> <[email protected]>
> > >>     >> wrote:
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>     >>     > > Well, that turned out to be much more time-consuming
> > than I
> > >>     >> expected, but
> > >>     >>     > > we can now create identical release artifacts on Mac
> and
> > >> Win.  I
> > >>     >> am
> > >>     >>     > hopeful
> > >>     >>     > > this effort will pay off not only now in having other
> > folks
> > >>     >> generate
> > >>     >>     > > releases, but also in the future if signed binaries
> > become
> > >> a
> > >>     >> requirement.
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > > There continues to be a lot of distractions in my life
> > >> that can
> > >>     >> cause
> > >>     >>     > > delays, but I hope to merge the release_practice
> branches
> > >> into
> > >>     >> develop
> > >>     >>     > over
> > >>     >>     > > the next day or two and figure out where in the wiki to
> > >> document
> > >>     >> the
> > >>     >>     > > release process.  So, now is the time for one or more
> > >> people to
> > >>     >> step up
> > >>     >>     > to
> > >>     >>     > > be the RMs for 0.9.6 and help debug and improve the
> > >> process.
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > > I am going to try very hard not to "own" the process.
> If
> > >>     >> something goes
> > >>     >>     > > wrong, I am going to ask others to try to debug and fix
> > it
> > >> first
> > >>     >> because
> > >>     >>     > it
> > >>     >>     > > is in the project's best interests for others to truly
> > >> understand
> > >>     >> how
> > >>     >>     > this
> > >>     >>     > > stuff works.
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > > Thanks,
> > >>     >>     > > -Alex
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > > On 5/23/19, 9:54 AM, "Alex Harui"
> > <[email protected]
> > >> >
> > >>     >> wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > >     It has turned out to be harder than expected to get
> > >> the same
> > >>     >> binaries
> > >>     >>     > > on Mac and Win.  I now have the identical binaries for
> > >>     >> royale-compiler
> > >>     >>     > and
> > >>     >>     > > royale-typedefs Maven artifacts and am starting on
> > >> royale-asjs.
> > >>     >> I might
> > >>     >>     > > get lucky and the changes that fixed royale-typedefs
> SWCs
> > >> will
> > >>     >> magically
> > >>     >>     > > get the royale-asjs SWCs to match.  Then we have to
> make
> > >> the Ant
> > >>     >>     > artifacts
> > >>     >>     > > match.
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > >     There have been a lot of distractions in my
> non-work
> > >> life
> > >>     >> which has
> > >>     >>     > > also impeded progress.  I hope to make much progress
> this
> > >> coming
> > >>     >> week and
> > >>     >>     > > if we're lucky, I will be asking for a volunteer (or
> > >> volunteers)
> > >>     >> to test
> > >>     >>     > > drive all of this stuff and be the RM for 0.9.6.  I am
> > not
> > >> going
> > >>     >> to be
> > >>     >>     > the
> > >>     >>     > > RM.
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > >     -Alex
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > >     On 5/23/19, 9:39 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> > >>     >> [email protected]>
> > >>     >>     > > wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > >         Hi Alex,
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > >         It's been a while since you have started effort
> > >> with
> > >>     >> automating
> > >>     >>     > > build.
> > >>     >>     > >         Where are you with that ? Are we closer to
> > started
> > >> 0.9.6.
> > >>     >> Do you
> > >>     >>     > > need any
> > >>     >>     > >         help with this ?
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > >         Thanks,
> > >>     >>     > >         Piotr
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > >         wt., 2 kwi 2019 o 19:30 Alex Harui
> > >>     >> <[email protected]>
> > >>     >>     > > napisał(a):
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     > >         > Update:
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         > In order to make verification of binary
> release
> > >> packages
> > >>     >>     > created
> > >>     >>     > > on the
> > >>     >>     > >         > server easier, I have made changes to our
> build
> > >> scripts
> > >>     >> and
> > >>     >>     > > tools to try to
> > >>     >>     > >         > generate reproducible binaries.  I've seen
> two
> > >>     >> different builds
> > >>     >>     > > compare on
> > >>     >>     > >         > my Mac.   The next challenge will be to see
> if
> > >> the
> > >>     >> server can
> > >>     >>     > > build a
> > >>     >>     > >         > package on Windows that will compare on Mac.
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         > One of the changes I needed to make is to
> > >> JBurg.  The
> > >>     >> version
> > >>     >>     > of
> > >>     >>     > > JBurg we
> > >>     >>     > >         > use generates method names including a hash
> > that
> > >> doesn't
> > >>     >>     > > reproduce the same
> > >>     >>     > >         > name each time.  I have changes to JBurg
> ready,
> > >> however
> > >>     >> JBurg
> > >>     >>     > is
> > >>     >>     > > currently
> > >>     >>     > >         > under CPL which is category B.  We only need
> > one
> > >> file,
> > >>     >> we don't
> > >>     >>     > > need or
> > >>     >>     > >         > want all of JBurg at this time.  The one
> JBurg
> > >> file is
> > >>     >> jointly
> > >>     >>     > > owned by
> > >>     >>     > >         > Adobe and Tom Harwood.  I've contact Tom and
> he
> > >> will be
> > >>     >> filing
> > >>     >>     > > an ICLA and
> > >>     >>     > >         > has given me permission to commit the lines
> he
> > >> owns in
> > >>     >> that one
> > >>     >>     > > file.
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         > This is the revision of the file that will be
> > >> donated by
> > >>     >>     > > Tom/Adobe.
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>     >>
> > >>
> >
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fp%2Fjburg%2Fcode%2Fci%2F66c287943376a74ac791f3d3bf969ab160bf80ff%2Ftree%2Fsrc%2Fgenerator%2Fjburg%2Fburg%2FJBurgGenerator.java&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C5b308b70316a40dd04cd08d6ee19bec0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636958191704021103&amp;sdata=VS1za1vOQhtlKlK4Tdgq3ej04OlhFoYfHziyNbgOIN4%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         > Once this file goes in with the changes to
> keep
> > >> the
> > >>     >> method
> > >>     >>     > names
> > >>     >>     > > the same,
> > >>     >>     > >         > there will be more tweaks to the release
> tasks
> > >> and then
> > >>     >> we can
> > >>     >>     > > try cutting
> > >>     >>     > >         > a release.  I'm thinking we'll be at that
> point
> > >> in
> > >>     >> early May,
> > >>     >>     > so
> > >>     >>     > > now is the
> > >>     >>     > >         > time to get stuff in for the 0.9.6 release.
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         > Thanks,
> > >>     >>     > >         > -Alex
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         > On 3/8/19, 9:27 AM, "Alex Harui" <
> > >> [email protected]>
> > >>     >> wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >     I would much rather have others find and
> > fix
> > >> issues
> > >>     >>     > > themselves.  That
> > >>     >>     > >         > way, more people than just me will know how
> to
> > >> maintain
> > >>     >> the
> > >>     >>     > > system.  It
> > >>     >>     > >         > actually turns out that, IMO, a group of
> people
> > >> can
> > >>     >> work on the
> > >>     >>     > > release.
> > >>     >>     > >         > There are 14 steps.  Literally, 14 different
> > >> people
> > >>     >> could
> > >>     >>     > > execute one step
> > >>     >>     > >         > each.
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >     My 2 cents,
> > >>     >>     > >         >     -Alex
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >     On 3/8/19, 2:13 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <
> > >>     >>     > [email protected]>
> > >>     >>     > > wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         Hi Alex,
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         amazing work! congrats to reach to
> this
> > >> point!
> > >>     >> :)
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         I need to put my head on all of this,
> > >> but count
> > >>     >> on me
> > >>     >>     > to
> > >>     >>     > > be a RM.
> > >>     >>     > >         > I think
> > >>     >>     > >         >         the best thing should be that you be
> > the
> > >> first
> > >>     >> RM to
> > >>     >>     > try
> > >>     >>     > > your own
> > >>     >>     > >         >         development at least for the first
> > time,
> > >> and
> > >>     >> then the
> > >>     >>     > > rest of us
> > >>     >>     > >         > will
> > >>     >>     > >         >         follow you on the next releases. With
> > >> all this
> > >>     >> on place
> > >>     >>     > > we maybe
> > >>     >>     > >         > could
> > >>     >>     > >         >         release once a month or every two
> > >> months...
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         Thanks for doing this :)
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         Carlos
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         El vie., 8 mar. 2019 a las 1:55, Alex
> > >> Harui
> > >>     >>     > >         > (<[email protected]>)
> > >>     >>     > >         >         escribió:
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > OK, I've now seen Jenkins perform
> the
> > >> steps
> > >>     >> to build
> > >>     >>     > > the release
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > artifacts.  Folks interested in
> > >> Docker-izing
> > >>     >> the
> > >>     >>     > steps
> > >>     >>     > > are
> > >>     >>     > >         > welcome to look
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > at the jobs on the "Royale Release"
> > >> tab on
> > >>     >> the CI
> > >>     >>     > > server.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>     >>
> > >>
> >
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com%3A8080%2Fview%2FRoyale%2520Release%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C5b308b70316a40dd04cd08d6ee19bec0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636958191704021103&amp;sdata=LfWCyCaClCVgfeINn4%2B%2Bk%2FSVUFXvgyV7QxMtx4B%2B%2Fu0%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > These steps assume that the RM can
> > run
> > >> the
> > >>     >> basic
> > >>     >>     > Maven
> > >>     >>     > > and Ant
> > >>     >>     > >         > build on
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > the RM's computer. I think that's a
> > >> fair
> > >>     >> requirement
> > >>     >>     > > since all
> > >>     >>     > >         > of us on the
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > PMC need to able to do that to
> build
> > >> the RC
> > >>     >> in order
> > >>     >>     > > to vote on
> > >>     >>     > >         > it.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >  Jenkins does other tasks like run
> > the
> > >> Maven
> > >>     >> release
> > >>     >>     > > plugin
> > >>     >>     > >         > steps.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Currently that results in binaries
> on
> > >> Jenkins
> > >>     >> that
> > >>     >>     > are
> > >>     >>     > >         > downloaded to the
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > RM's computer.  These binaries need
> > to
> > >> be
> > >>     >> verified by
> > >>     >>     > > the RM
> > >>     >>     > >         > which is the
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > next phase I will be starting on
> now.
> > >> The RM
> > >>     >>     > verifies
> > >>     >>     > > the bits
> > >>     >>     > >         > and then
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > PGP signs them.  And then the bits
> > are
> > >>     >> uploaded off
> > >>     >>     > > the RM's
> > >>     >>     > >         > computer to
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Maven Staging or dist.a.o/dev.   If
> > >> that
> > >>     >> uploading
> > >>     >>     > > turns out to
> > >>     >>     > >         > be a point
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > of failure, we have the option of
> > >> having
> > >>     >> Jenkins
> > >>     >>     > > upload the big
> > >>     >>     > >         > files and
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > have the RM only upload PGP
> signature
> > >> files.
> > >>     >> Or
> > >>     >>     > > finding a way
> > >>     >>     > >         > for Jenkins
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to get the signature files from the
> > >> RM.  The
> > >>     >> uploads
> > >>     >>     > > worked fine
> > >>     >>     > >         > for me,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > but then again, so did the old
> > script's
> > >>     >> uploads.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Therefore, once I get the binary
> > >> verification
> > >>     >> phase
> > >>     >>     > > completed, I
> > >>     >>     > >         > think
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > someone other than me should be the
> > RM
> > >> and
> > >>     >> try to use
> > >>     >>     > > these
> > >>     >>     > >         > steps to
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > generate the release and help debug
> > the
> > >>     >> process for
> > >>     >>     > > the next
> > >>     >>     > >         > RM.  So,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > please try to carve out some time
> to
> > >> be the
> > >>     >> RM.  One
> > >>     >>     > > advantage
> > >>     >>     > >         > of doing
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > most of the work on Jenkins is that
> > it
> > >> frees
> > >>     >> up my
> > >>     >>     > > computer to
> > >>     >>     > >         > do other
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > things while Jenkins is cranking
> > away.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > I think we're at least a week away
> > >> from binary
> > >>     >>     > > verification,
> > >>     >>     > >         > maybe two, so
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > it is time to start thinking about
> > >> what is
> > >>     >> going in
> > >>     >>     > > this release.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Thanks,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > -Alex
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > On 3/7/19, 4:15 PM, "Alex Harui"
> > >>     >>     > > <[email protected]>
> > >>     >>     > >         > wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     In case you haven't guessed,
> I'm
> > >> testing
> > >>     >> out
> > >>     >>     > > Jenkins and its
> > >>     >>     > >         > ability
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to create the artifacts and send
> > >> emails.
> > >>     >> Please
> > >>     >>     > > ignore any
> > >>     >>     > >         > email that
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > looks like a vote or discuss
> thread.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     Thanks,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     -Alex
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >     On 2/10/19, 8:44 PM, "Alex
> Harui"
> > >>     >>     > > <[email protected]>
> > >>     >>     > >         > wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Om,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Well, that's what I used
> for
> > >> the last
> > >>     >>     > > release.  I'm sure
> > >>     >>     > >         > there is
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > probably some inaccuracy in it.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         That said, I'm abandoning
> > that
> > >>     >> document and
> > >>     >>     > > taking a new
> > >>     >>     > >         > angle
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > because that document presumed that
> > the
> > >>     >> release
> > >>     >>     > > manager was
> > >>     >>     > >         > trying to
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > create a release on his/her
> computer.
> > >> I've
> > >>     >> given up
> > >>     >>     > > on that and
> > >>     >>     > >         > working on
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > making releases from a shared
> > computer
> > >> for the
> > >>     >>     > reasons
> > >>     >>     > > I've
> > >>     >>     > >         > stated
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > upthread.  I hope to make some
> > >> progress on
> > >>     >> that this
> > >>     >>     > > week.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         The key difference is that
> > the
> > >> new
> > >>     >> angle does
> > >>     >>     > > not
> > >>     >>     > >         > presume that you
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > have Git SSH and PGP signatures all
> > >> set up on
> > >>     >> some
> > >>     >>     > > computer.  I
> > >>     >>     > >         > have not
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > looked into how Docker would handle
> > >> that.  You
> > >>     >>     > > certainly
> > >>     >>     > >         > wouldn't want the
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Docker image to contain your SSH or
> > PGP
> > >>     >> keys/creds.
> > >>     >>     > >  And if the
> > >>     >>     > >         > Docker
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > image doesn't, then that is another
> > >> stumbling
> > >>     >> block
> > >>     >>     > > for future
> > >>     >>     > >         > RMs.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         The other key difference is
> > >> that the
> > >>     >> old
> > >>     >>     > > script presumed
> > >>     >>     > >         > you could
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > create the 3 release in 3 huge
> "easy"
> > >> steps.
> > >>     >> We've
> > >>     >>     > > seen that is
> > >>     >>     > >         > only true
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > for me.  So the new angle creates
> > many
> > >>     >> discrete steps
> > >>     >>     > > managed by
> > >>     >>     > >         > Jenkins.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         So, it is up to you to
> decide
> > >> what
> > >>     >> you want
> > >>     >>     > to
> > >>     >>     > >         > "Docker-ize".  You
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > can try to Docker-ize the current 3
> > big
> > >>     >> steps, so RMs
> > >>     >>     > > can try to
> > >>     >>     > >         > run it on
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > their systems, but I'd bet they
> will
> > >> just
> > >>     >> faiI due to
> > >>     >>     > > network
> > >>     >>     > >         > issues.  I
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > would be interested in using Docker
> > to
> > >> make
> > >>     >> each of
> > >>     >>     > > these many
> > >>     >>     > >         > discrete
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > steps portable to another server.
> > >>  I'm not
> > >>     >> going to
> > >>     >>     > > involve
> > >>     >>     > >         > Docker at this
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > point.  My main goal is just to see
> > if
> > >> I can
> > >>     >> create a
> > >>     >>     > > workflow
> > >>     >>     > >         > of many
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > discrete steps that isn't horribly
> > >> painful.
> > >>     >> Once we
> > >>     >>     > > see what
> > >>     >>     > >         > these steps
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > turn out to be, then we can worry
> > >> about server
> > >>     >>     > > portability of
> > >>     >>     > >         > those steps.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Either way, we want to know
> > >> about
> > >>     >> running
> > >>     >>     > >         > Browser+Selenium for
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > sure.  And maybe
> FlashPlayerDebugger
> > >> or AIR.
> > >>     >> I would
> > >>     >>     > > want to
> > >>     >>     > >         > know, for
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > example, how you debug a failing
> > >> checkintest
> > >>     >> in a
> > >>     >>     > > Docker
> > >>     >>     > >         > container.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         Thanks,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         -Alex
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >         On 2/10/19, 5:18 PM,
> > "OmPrakash
> > >>     >> Muppirala" <
> > >>     >>     > >         > [email protected]>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Alex,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Just to be clear, I am
> > >> following
> > >>     >> the
> > >>     >>     > steps
> > >>     >>     > > from here
> > >>     >>     > >         > to try
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > and setup a
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             docker container.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>
> >
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> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Is this doc up to date?
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Thanks,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             Om
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at
> > >> 12:02 PM
> > >>     >> OmPrakash
> > >>     >>     > > Muppirala <
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > [email protected]>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > One approach is to
> have
> > >> each
> > >>     >> step in
> > >>     >>     > the
> > >>     >>     > > process
> > >>     >>     > >         > spin up a
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > docker image.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > And use
> docker-compose
> > >> to run
> > >>     >> each
> > >>     >>     > > step.  All the
> > >>     >>     > >         > images can
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > be made to
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > share a common volume
> > >> where all
> > >>     >> the
> > >>     >>     > > artifacts are
> > >>     >>     > >         > stored
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > across steps.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > You are right about
> the
> > >>     >> networking
> > >>     >>     > issue
> > >>     >>     > > though.
> > >>     >>     > >         > Any
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > network related
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > failure that occurs
> on
> > >> the host
> > >>     >> machine
> > >>     >>     > > will most
> > >>     >>     > >         > likely
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > occur in the
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > docker container.
> > >> Although, I
> > >>     >> am not
> > >>     >>     > > clear how we
> > >>     >>     > >         > can
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > guarantee that the
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > same issues will not
> > >> occur on
> > >>     >> the
> > >>     >>     > > Jenkins server.
> > >>     >>     > >         > I mean,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > what is special
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > about the Jenkins
> > server
> > >> that
> > >>     >> makes it
> > >>     >>     > > immune to
> > >>     >>     > >         > these
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > networking issues?
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > Thanks,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > Om
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019
> at
> > >> 11:48 AM
> > >>     >> Alex
> > >>     >>     > > Harui
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > <[email protected]>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             > wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> Again, I don't know
> > >> anything
> > >>     >> about
> > >>     >>     > > Docker, but
> > >>     >>     > >         > before we
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > spend a lot of
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> time on Docker, I
> also
> > >> want to
> > >>     >> point
> > >>     >>     > > out that the
> > >>     >>     > >         > process
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to create a
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> release cannot
> really
> > be
> > >>     >> thought of as
> > >>     >>     > > "one
> > >>     >>     > >         > application".
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > It will be a
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> series of "steps" to
> > >> run.
> > >>     >> How many
> > >>     >>     > > steps
> > >>     >>     > >         > depends on
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > whether we think we
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> can isolate enough
> > >> stuff via
> > >>     >> Docker to
> > >>     >>     > > be able to
> > >>     >>     > >         > run
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Docker on the RM's
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> computer instead of
> > >> some shared
> > >>     >>     > > computer.  On a
> > >>     >>     > >         > shared
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > computer there will
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> be dozens of steps
> > >> because the
> > >>     >> RM will
> > >>     >>     > > need to
> > >>     >>     > >         > enter
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > passwords to commit
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> stuff.  On a local
> > >> computer I
> > >>     >> guess
> > >>     >>     > the
> > >>     >>     > > RM can
> > >>     >>     > >         > supply
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > passwords but I think
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> there will be
> stopping
> > >> points
> > >>     >> where
> > >>     >>     > the
> > >>     >>     > > Maven
> > >>     >>     > >         > artifacts are
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > deployed and
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> the staging repo is
> > >> closed, and
> > >>     >>     > another
> > >>     >>     > > stopping
> > >>     >>     > >         > point for
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > the vote.  It
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> seems like Docker
> > works
> > >> by
> > >>     >> downloading
> > >>     >>     > >         > dependencies.  Given
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > that the
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> problem the RMs had
> > >> last time
> > >>     >> involved
> > >>     >>     > > downloads
> > >>     >>     > >         > and
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > uploads, why do we
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> think Docker will
> > >> really solve
> > >>     >> this
> > >>     >>     > for
> > >>     >>     > > creating
> > >>     >>     > >         > releases
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > on local machines?
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> The reason to do
> this
> > >> on a
> > >>     >> shared
> > >>     >>     > > machine is so
> > >>     >>     > >         > that new
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > RMs don't have
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> to do as much setup.
> > >> But then
> > >>     >> I
> > >>     >>     > wonder
> > >>     >>     > > about the
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > efficiency of kicking off
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> that many Docker
> > images.
> > >>     >> Jenkins can
> > >>     >>     > > manage that
> > >>     >>     > >         > already.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Does Docker
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> have some sort of
> > >> similar
> > >>     >> Dashboard or
> > >>     >>     > > would we
> > >>     >>     > >         > use Jenkins
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > to kick off
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> Docker steps?  I
> can't
> > >> quite
> > >>     >> picture
> > >>     >>     > > what is the
> > >>     >>     > >         > outermost
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> control/dashboard.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> -Alex
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> On 2/6/19, 11:03 AM,
> > >> "Harbs" <
> > >>     >>     > >         > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     A quick search
> > >> turns up
> > >>     >> this:
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>
> >
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> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> <
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>
> >
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> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>
> >
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> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> <
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>
> >
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> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>
> >
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> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> <
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >
> > >>     >>     > >         >
> > >>     >>     > >
> > >>     >>     >
> > >>
> >
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> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     > On Feb 6,
> 2019,
> > >> at 8:59
> > >>     >> PM, Alex
> > >>     >>     > > Harui
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > <[email protected]>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     > Thanks for
> > >> volunteering
> > >>     >> to try
> > >>     >>     > it
> > >>     >>     > > Om.  IMO,
> > >>     >>     > >         > even more
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > important
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> than Firefox+Flash
> is
> > >>     >>     > > SomeBrowser+Selenium.  We
> > >>     >>     > >         > may also
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > need to run Adobe
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> AIR's adb.  We could
> > >> probably
> > >>     >> turn off
> > >>     >>     > > the Flash
> > >>     >>     > >         > tests or
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > replace Flash
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> with AIR.
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     > Thanks,
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     > -Alex
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     > On 2/6/19,
> 10:54
> > >> AM,
> > >>     >> "Carlos
> > >>     >>     > > Rovira" <
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > [email protected]>
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> wrote:
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     >    Hi Om, that
> > >> would be
> > >>     >> great!
> > >>     >>     > > waiting for
> > >>     >>     > >         > your
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > experience with a
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >> that! :)
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     >
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     >    El mié., 6
> > >> feb. 2019
> > >>     >> a las
> > >>     >>     > > 19:31,
> > >>     >>     > >         > OmPrakash
> > >>     >>     > >         >         > Muppirala (<
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>
> [email protected]
> > >)
> > >>     >>     > >         >         >             >>     >
>

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