In favor of one tier (everyone who is a committer is on the PMC): * People perceive that there are two tiers to the project (and assume that the PMC is doing something nefarious, when in fact it is usually, quite correctly, doing very little). * Simplicity.
In favor of two tiers (some committers are not PMC members): * The bar to committership is lowered. PMC members will give someone the commit bit after just two or three code contributions, or some nice work answering questions or giving conference talks. Julian > On Jan 16, 2024, at 2:47 PM, Nga Chung <nch...@apache.org> wrote: > > I also like the DISCUSS thread example for talking about future > committers / PMC members. > > What is the pro / con of having committers who are not also a PMC member? > > Thanks, > Nga > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 7:13 AM Riley Kuttruff <r...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> Hi Julian, >> >> That makes a lot of sense as a better alternative to the whole nomination >> process. >> >> On 2024/01/11 23:56:13 Julian Hyde wrote: >>> I don't think the process needs to be very formal (e.g. included in >>> the bylaws) or agreed before graduation. But it does need to be an >>> organizational habit. This discussion thread, if it reaches consensus, >>> could be all the process we need. >>> >>> KVRocks' template email starts 'I nominate...'. I think it's important >>> to lower the bar to discussing new committers and PMC members, so we >>> can talk about people who "might be ready". Because often they *are* >>> ready. It could be a simple email to private@: >>> >>>> [DISCUSS] Alex Doe for committer >>>> >>>> I think Alex Doe has been doing some good work recently[1]. They have >>>> made a couple of good PRs, one of which has been merged, and have >>>> also been answering a lot of questions in the forums. >>>> >>>> Do you think Alex has earned enough merit, or should we wait a couple of >>>> months? >>>> >>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-sdap-nexus/commits?author=alexdoe >>> >>> In my experience, once there has been a good discussion, the voting >>> process is very straightforward. >>> >>> SDAP should also set a policy (if it doesn't have one) about whether >>> it is possible to be a committer without being a PMC member. >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 12:57 PM Riley Kuttruff <r...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> While working through the maturity model, I noticed SDAP doesn't seem to >>>> have a documented, formal process for adding committers or PMC members (at >>>> least, none that I could find). I think we should make an effort to >>>> establish and ratify a process for this. I think the one outlined here [1] >>>> would be fine. >>>> >>>> Let me know what you think or if you have any alternative processes in >>>> mind. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Riley >>>> >>>> [1] https://kvrocks.incubator.apache.org/community/vote-a-core-developer/ >>>
