I’ll inline my responses... > On Feb 26, 2024, at 7:34 AM, Arrieta, Alejandro <aarri...@perrinsoftware.com> > wrote: > > Hello Eric, > > 1) The idea here is that when a user run’s “bin/solr start” it fires up an > embedded zookeeper. Same behavior as “bin/solr -c” in Solr 9.5. If you > have a Zookeeper Ensemble then “bin/solr start -z YOUR_ZK_SETUP” would > connect to the external ensemble instead. > If Solrcloud is the new default, this sounds good to me from a user > perspective. This is correct. Jason G and I started looking at how we could handle https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SOLR/SIP-14+Embedded+Zookeeper as part of this.
> > 2) bin/solr start —standalone > I have always known the modes as standalone and solrcloud. But current > documentation uses "user-managed" instead of "standalone": > https://solr.apache.org/guide/solr/latest/deployment-guide/cluster-types.html#solrcloud-mode > Mail thread shared by Jan uses "standalone" too. > IMHO, standalone describes it better, but if all users know it as > "user-managed" and documentation uses that name. I have to agree that “standalone” makes more sense to me as well. I think the idea of “user-managed” was to really highlight “hey, you are doing all the management of coordination”…. It feels like a bit of very in the weeds specification that most folks won’t care about. > > 2) Ref Guide changes to put Solrcloud first and standalone/user-managed > second. > Not all docs have solrcloud at the end. Some point to a different page for > solrcloud at the start, like Backups: > https://solr.apache.org/guide/solr/latest/deployment-guide/backup-restore.html > The new/current default should appear first in the documentation, including > the starting guide. I know from my experience users will not read the > complete page and use/test the first part. That’s a great perspective, and I agree. > > Kind Regards, > Alejandro Arrieta > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 9:23 AM Jason Gerlowski <gerlowsk...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks for the link to that 2021 discussion Jan - had forgotten about that. >> >> I agree that SIP-14 (or some portion of it) goes a long way towards >> making SolrCloud (w/ embedded ZK) a more serviceable default. >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 7:14 PM Jan Høydahl <jan....@cominvent.com> wrote: >>> >>> Cross referencing earlier discussion "[DISCUSS] Make Cloud mode the >> default option in bin/solr" from May 2021: >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/79xp2xfvqwhr9zccmsvjvj0hckgg5m6w >>> >>> Some valid arguments for an against in that thread. >>> >>> Ideally I'd prefer SIP-14 to be done before embedded zk is promoted as >> the best way to run Solr. >>> >>> Jan >>> >>>> 23. feb. 2024 kl. 19:06 skrev Eric Pugh < >> ep...@opensourceconnections.com>: >>>> >>>> During today’s community discussion the topic of moving to defaulting >> to SolrCloud mode came up. >>>> >>>> The idea here is that when a user run’s “bin/solr start” it fires up >> an embedded zookeeper. Same behavior as “bin/solr -c” in Solr 9.5. If >> you have a Zookeeper Ensemble then “bin/solr start -z YOUR_ZK_SETUP” would >> connect to the external ensemble instead. >>>> >>>> If you want to continue to use the class user managed mode, then >> bin/solr start —user-managed maybe? Or bin/solr start —standalone ??? >>>> >>>> Other changes would be to go through the Ref Guide and where we have >> both SolrCloud and non SolrCloud content that we make sure SolrCloud >> content is at the top instead of at the bottom. >>>> >>>> To me, this feels like a change that would go on main. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________ >>>> Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 >> | http://www.opensourceconnections.com < >> http://www.opensourceconnections.com/> | My Free/Busy < >> http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal> >>>> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed < >> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw >>> >>>> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to >> be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of >> whether attachments are marked as such. >>>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@solr.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@solr.apache.org >> >> _______________________ Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com <http://www.opensourceconnections.com/> | My Free/Busy <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of whether attachments are marked as such.
