Hi Suresh, The request here is actually to *not* use the Apache user list while in the incubator. The issue is that we don't want to ask almost 1000 people to migrate twice between two different lists in a short period of time. That seems like the most confusion of all options.
If there is a requirement that eventually we get all lists over to apache, then so be it. But having a double migration is something I'd personally strongly object to and I feel that others in the community would also object to this. Let's just defer the migration of the users list until we graduate to a TLP - this is a completely sensible option and will be easy to explain to the broader user community. - Patrick On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Suresh Marru <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Andy, > > Its strongly advisable to have all the lists on ASF infrastructure. The > only reason the incubators are not encouraged against users list is to keep > the community together. But if spark already had a user base and the > projects wants to have a user list, you should go for it. That will be way > less confusing. > > If there are no objections, I can request a user list. > > Suresh > On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > + [email protected] to loop in those who haven't > subscribed > > to [email protected] yet, (also because my emails are getting bounced by > > Apache's spam filters). > > > > I wanted to respond here in the conversation about the mailing list > > migration that was happening on the email thread called "Re: A wiki for > > Spark (on Apache infra)"... > > > > Assuming that we Apache requires us to migrate from google groups to > lists > > on Apache infra, we might consider waiting to migrating the users list to > > apache infra until after we graduate to a TLP, so that we only have to > > migrate it once. > > > > Here's why. I assume with each list migration that requires subscribers > to > > do work, we will lose some subscribers. If we ask them to migrate to an > > incubator user list now and then again to yet a different list when we > > graduate to a TLP (which we hope to do fairly quickly), it seems like we > > will irritate and lose strictly more subscribers. > > > > This requirement to migrate infra twice as part of moving to Apache > seems a > > bit hard on communities. It also seems like a requirement that will go > away > > if the changes you are pushing for to the incubation process (i.e. > podling > > TLPs) actually ever happen. > > > > Anyway, I see our options as: > > > > 1. Migrate only the dev list now (since this is a smaller core group that > > is more likely to migrate with us) and wait to create an apache users > list > > until we graduate and migrate from the users google group then. Con: it's > > confusing to have user and dev lists on different infra. > > 2. Move the users list now, in which case we go with the migration plan I > > proposed earlier. Con: migrating users list twice = more irritating to > > users. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Andy, > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> > >> Reply-To: "[email protected]" < > [email protected] > >>> > >> Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:18 AM > >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! > >> > >>> This is great. > >>> > >>> Quick question about mailing lists: Spark also has a > >>> spark-users<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/spark-users> > >>> google > >>> group. Can we also get a [email protected] mailing list to have > somewhere > >>> to migrate that group? Do I need to create an infra issue for this? > >> > >> OK, cool yeah I think I requested commits and dev as lists earlier, but > >> didn't request a user one. To request a new list, you go here: > >> > >> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator > >> > >> > >> Did you request a list yet? Should i? > >> > >> (BTW sorry about the delay in responding was at a DARPA meeting all > week in > >> DC an am just back in California now catching up on everything). > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Also, we should discuss a strategy, and timeline for migrating the > mailing > >>> lists over to the new ones. > >>> > >>> As far as a strategy, here are the steps I can think of that will help > >>> make > >>> for a smooth transition: > >>> > >>> 1. Request users list on apache infra (done) > >>> 2. Pick a day/time for the switch (how about July 1, assuming > >>> [email protected] is set up by then) > >>> 3. At Switch time: > >>> 1. Make announcements on the dev and users mailing lists with links > >>> to the new lists, instructions on how to subscribe, and a note > >>> saying all > >>> conversations are moving over to that list. > >>> 2. Update the website with links to the new lists > >>> 3. Enable an auto responders on those lists with pointers to the > new > >>> apache lists > >> > >> Perfect! That's correct Andy. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Chris > >> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >> Senior Computer Scientist > >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >> Email: [email protected] > >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> CC'ing [email protected]: our first email to the dev list! :) > >>>> > >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >>>> Senior Computer Scientist > >>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Henry Saputra <[email protected]> > >>>> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:51 PM > >>>> To: jpluser <[email protected]> > >>>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin > >>>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur Dave > >>>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, > Haoyuan > >>>> Li > >>>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, > >>>> Shivaram Venkataraman <[email protected]>, Mosharaf > Chowdhury > >>>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss <[email protected] > >, > >>>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell > >>>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, > Ryan > >>>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya > >>>> <[email protected]>, > >>>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans > >>>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, > >>>> Thomas > >>>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra > >>>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman > >>>> <[email protected]>, > >>>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang <[email protected] > >, > >>>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath > >>>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara < > [email protected] > >>> , > >>>> "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <[email protected]>, Roman > >> Shaposhnik > >>>> <[email protected]>, Suresh Marru <[email protected]>, "Hart, Andrew F > >>>> (398J)" <[email protected]> > >>>> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! > >>>> > >>>>> Thanks for driving this forward Chris, awesome as usual! =) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The mailing lists are ready: > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> You can subscribe by sending email to: > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> [email protected] -> This is moderated > and > >>>>> only Sparks' committers, PPMC could subscribe to it. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hopefully we could start communicating using the dev@ list starting > >>>> next > >>>>> week. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> For those new to ASF, welcome! =) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Henry > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Everyone, > >>>>> > >>>>> Just to double check: does everyone have an Apache Individual > >>>>> Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) on file? If you don't please > >>>>> head over to: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Please fill that out and then submit to [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> I'll make sure that everyone's account gets created and that > >>>>> karma for the Git repo is set up based on that, working with > >>>>> infra. I or any of the other mentors can help with this too. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Chris > >>>>> > >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >>>>> Senior Computer Scientist > >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >>>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: <Mattmann>, jpluser <[email protected]> > >>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:16 PM > >>>>> To: jpluser <[email protected]> > >>>>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin > >>>>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur Dave > >>>>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, > Haoyuan > >>>> Li > >>>>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, > >>>> Reynold > >>>>> Xin <[email protected]>, Shivaram Venkataraman > >>>>> <[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury > >>>>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss <[email protected] > >, > >>>>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell > >>>>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, > >> Ryan > >>>>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya > >>>> <[email protected] > >>>>> , > >>>>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans > >>>>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, > >>>> Thomas > >>>>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra > >>>>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman > >>>> <[email protected]>, > >>>>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang < > [email protected] > >>> , > >>>>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath > >>>>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara < > [email protected] > >>> > >>>>> Subject: Apache Spark podling: Created! > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Everyone, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Until our mailing lists are created, will have to just reply all > >>>>>> to this list :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Apache Spark (incubating) now is created! See: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://s.apache.org/yRh > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yay! Thanks for the support in getting this started! I've gone > >>>>>> ahead and filed the requisite INFRA tasks: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6417 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> per: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You can follow the bootstrap process at INFRA-6417, by > >>>>>> putting yourself on the watch list for the issue. Now > >>>>>> I'll work with infra@ to get everything set up in terms of > >>>>>> mailing lists, etc, and then I'd appreciate everyone helping > >>>>>> in terms of letting folks know to migrate on the existing > >>>>>> email lists, and helping to work with me to get Git version > >>>>>> history transferred over, and to start moving the project > >>>>>> into the ASF. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> One other thing, Matei: it would be really nice to do a > >>>>>> software grant on this: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From maybe AMPLab (and anyone else). Can you help take > >>>>>> the lead in getting that submitted to the Apache Secretary and > >>>>>> CC me? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks guys! Progress :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Our first Incubator PMC report is due in July. I'll prod and > >>>>>> help put it together. Until then, time to start transitioning > >>>>>> and helping to get the project moved on over. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> Chris > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >>>>>> Senior Computer Scientist > >>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >>>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >>>>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >>>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >
