On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Reynold Xin <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think we should avoid migrating the list too many times, especially the
> user list.
> 
> Also - are there any rules regarding maintaining a separate, non-Apache
> mailing list by 3rd party? Google Groups has been very convenient for
> users, both in terms of the UX and the way to quickly and easily search for
> archived messages.

Hi Reynold,

I should look up the reference the right reference but it is not encouraged (or 
allowed) to use 3rd-party mailing lists. I certainly sympathize with the loss 
of usability when moving from google groups to  ezmlm lists, but I do not think 
we have a choice. 

Suresh

> 
> --
> Reynold Xin, AMPLab, UC Berkeley
> http://rxin.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Andy Konwinski 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
> 
>> + [email protected] to loop in those who haven't
>> subscribed to [email protected] yet, (also because my emails are getting
>> bounced by Apache's spam filters).
>> 
>> I wanted to respond here in the conversation about the mailing list
>> migration that was happening on the email thread called "Re: A wiki for
>> Spark (on Apache infra)"...
>> 
>> Assuming that we Apache requires us to migrate from google groups to lists
>> on Apache infra, we might consider waiting to migrating the users list to
>> apache infra until after we graduate to a TLP, so that we only have to
>> migrate it once.
>> 
>> Here's why. I assume with each list migration that requires subscribers to
>> do work, we will lose some subscribers. If we ask them to migrate to an
>> incubator user list now and then again to yet a different list when we
>> graduate to a TLP (which we hope to do fairly quickly), it seems like we
>> will irritate and lose strictly more subscribers.
>> 
>> This requirement to migrate infra twice as part of moving to Apache seems
>> a bit hard on communities. It also seems like a requirement that will go
>> away if the changes you are pushing for to the incubation process (i.e.
>> podling TLPs) actually ever happen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I see our options as:
>> 
>> 1. Migrate only the dev list now (since this is a smaller core group that
>> is more likely to migrate with us) and wait to create an apache users list
>> until we graduate and migrate from the users google group then. Con: it's
>> confusing to have user and dev lists on different infra.
>> 2. Move the users list now, in which case we go with the migration plan I
>> proposed earlier. Con: migrating users list twice = more irritating to
>> users.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Andy,
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>
>>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <
>>> [email protected]>
>>> Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:18 AM
>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created!
>>> 
>>>> This is great.
>>>> 
>>>> Quick question about mailing lists: Spark also has a
>>>> spark-users<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/spark-users>
>>>> google
>>>> group. Can we also get a [email protected] mailing list to have
>>> somewhere
>>>> to migrate that group? Do I need to create an infra issue for this?
>>> 
>>> OK, cool yeah I think I requested commits and dev as lists earlier, but
>>> didn't request a user one. To request a new list, you go here:
>>> 
>>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Did you request a list yet? Should i?
>>> 
>>> (BTW sorry about the delay in responding was at a DARPA meeting all week
>>> in
>>> DC an am just back in California now catching up on everything).
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Also, we should discuss a strategy, and timeline for migrating the
>>> mailing
>>>> lists over to the new ones.
>>>> 
>>>> As far as a strategy, here are the steps I can think of that will help
>>>> make
>>>> for a smooth transition:
>>>> 
>>>>  1. Request users list on apache infra (done)
>>>>  2. Pick a day/time for the switch (how about July 1, assuming
>>>>  [email protected] is set up by then)
>>>>  3. At Switch time:
>>>>     1. Make announcements on the dev and users mailing lists with links
>>>>     to the new lists, instructions on how to subscribe, and a note
>>>> saying all
>>>>     conversations are moving over to that list.
>>>>     2. Update the website with links to the new lists
>>>>     3. Enable an auto responders on those lists with pointers to the
>>> new
>>>>     apache lists
>>> 
>>> Perfect! That's correct Andy.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Senior Computer Scientist
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>> Email: [email protected]
>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> CC'ing [email protected]: our first email to the dev list! :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>>>> Senior Computer Scientist
>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>>>> Email: [email protected]
>>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Henry Saputra <[email protected]>
>>>>> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:51 PM
>>>>> To: jpluser <[email protected]>
>>>>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin
>>>>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur Dave
>>>>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, Haoyuan
>>>>> Li
>>>>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>,
>>>>> Shivaram Venkataraman <[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury
>>>>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss <[email protected]>,
>>>>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell
>>>>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>,
>>> Ryan
>>>>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya
>>>>> <[email protected]>,
>>>>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans
>>>>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>,
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra
>>>>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman
>>>>> <[email protected]>,
>>>>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang <[email protected]
>>>> ,
>>>>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath
>>>>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara <[email protected]
>>>> ,
>>>>> "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <[email protected]>, Roman
>>> Shaposhnik
>>>>> <[email protected]>, Suresh Marru <[email protected]>, "Hart, Andrew F
>>>>> (398J)" <[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for driving this forward Chris, awesome as usual! =)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The mailing lists are ready:
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can subscribe by sending email to:
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> [email protected]  -> This is moderated
>>> and
>>>>>> only Sparks' committers, PPMC could subscribe to it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hopefully we could start communicating using the dev@ list starting
>>>>> next
>>>>>> week.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For those new to ASF, welcome! =)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just to double check: does everyone have an Apache Individual
>>>>>> Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) on file? If you don't please
>>>>>> head over to:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please fill that out and then submit to [email protected]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll make sure that everyone's account gets created and that
>>>>>> karma for the Git repo is set up based on that, working with
>>>>>> infra. I or any of the other mentors can help with this too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>>>>> Senior Computer Scientist
>>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>>>>> Email: [email protected]
>>>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>>>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: <Mattmann>, jpluser <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:16 PM
>>>>>> To: jpluser <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin
>>>>>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur Dave
>>>>>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>,
>>> Haoyuan
>>>>> Li
>>>>>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>,
>>>>> Reynold
>>>>>> Xin <[email protected]>, Shivaram Venkataraman
>>>>>> <[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury
>>>>>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss <[email protected]
>>>> ,
>>>>>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell
>>>>>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>,
>>> Ryan
>>>>>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya
>>>>> <[email protected]
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans
>>>>>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>,
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra
>>>>>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman
>>>>> <[email protected]>,
>>>>>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang <[email protected]
>>>> ,
>>>>>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath
>>>>>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara <
>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>> Subject: Apache Spark podling: Created!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Until our mailing lists are created, will have to just reply all
>>>>>>> to this list :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Apache Spark (incubating) now is created! See:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://s.apache.org/yRh
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yay! Thanks for the support in getting this started! I've gone
>>>>>>> ahead and filed the requisite INFRA tasks:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6417
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> per:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can follow the bootstrap process at INFRA-6417, by
>>>>>>> putting yourself on the watch list for the issue. Now
>>>>>>> I'll work with infra@ to get everything set up in terms of
>>>>>>> mailing lists, etc, and then I'd appreciate everyone helping
>>>>>>> in terms of letting folks know to migrate on the existing
>>>>>>> email lists, and helping to work with me to get Git version
>>>>>>> history transferred over, and to start moving the project
>>>>>>> into the ASF.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One other thing, Matei: it would be really nice to do a
>>>>>>> software grant on this:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From maybe AMPLab (and anyone else). Can you help take
>>>>>>> the lead in getting that submitted to the Apache Secretary and
>>>>>>> CC me?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks guys! Progress :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Our first Incubator PMC report is due in July. I'll prod and
>>>>>>> help put it together. Until then, time to start transitioning
>>>>>>> and helping to get the project moved on over.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>>>>>> Senior Computer Scientist
>>>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>>>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>>>>>> Email: [email protected]
>>>>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>>>>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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