On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hey Reynold,
>
> I hear your pain - trust me I do - but at the same time it doesn't
> make sense to half complete bringing the community over. Mailing list
> conversation (especially user oriented ones) are one of the core
> portions of open source communities at least in my experience.
>
> There are not really many hard requirements here at the ASF -- there
> are social norms and memes and old fuddy duddies like me who share
> those memes and information with people to try and encourage open
> source best practice, while at the same time trying not to disturb
> all the awesomeness going on that you guys are leading.
>
> With that, how many users are we talking about on the user mailing
> list at this point? Can you give me an exact count?
>

spark-users: 868 members
spark-developers: 224 members


>
> I'm willing to spend the time to get people migrated now. Then,
> migrating later from [email protected] to
> [email protected]
> will be really less of a hassle and a lot less difficult since we
> are really moving from ezmlm to ezmlm. Also with the $podling.i.a.o
> namespace I think even now we can use spark.apache.org (*think*)
> which in turn could cause even less hassle later. In addition, like
> I said, when we graduate to TLP I'll also be happy to contribute
> time towards making the migration as seamless as possible.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: [email protected]
> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reynold Xin <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
> >
> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:08 PM
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Cc: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling:
> Created!)
>
> >Hi Chris,
> >
> >There are a lot of user preferences set by them (e.g. individual emails vs
> >batch) that wouldn't work when you just "import". If user list is not an
> >absolute requirement for the incubator, it would make sense to delay
> >the migration of user lists until we are graduating to a TLP.
> >
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
> >[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Andy et al.,
> >>
> >> Why don't we just collect the current subscribers to the Google Group,
> >> get them to me, and I'll subscribe them to the ASF new lists? I'm happy
> >> to create a user list here at the ASF for the project, and to migrate
> >> the users. Then all they would have to do is remember to use the new
> >> email when addressing. A change, yes, I know, but still a minimal one.
> >>
> >> That OK?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> Senior Computer Scientist
> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >> Email: [email protected]
> >> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>
> >> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:04 PM
> >> To: jpluser <[email protected]>
> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
> >> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> >> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling:
> >> Created!)
> >>
> >> >+ [email protected] to loop in those who haven't
> >> >subscribed to [email protected] yet, (also because my emails are getting
> >> >bounced by Apache's spam filters).
> >> >
> >> >I wanted to respond here in the conversation about the mailing list
> >> >migration that was happening on the email thread called "Re: A wiki for
> >> >Spark (on Apache infra)"...
> >> >
> >> >Assuming that we Apache requires us to migrate from google groups to
> >> >lists on Apache infra, we might consider waiting to migrating the users
> >> >list to apache infra until after we graduate to a TLP, so that we only
> >> >have to migrate it once.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Here's why. I assume with each list migration that requires subscribers
> >> >to do work, we will lose some subscribers. If we ask them to migrate to
> >> >an incubator user list now and then again to yet a different list when
> >>we
> >> >graduate to a TLP (which we hope to
> >> > do fairly quickly), it seems like we will irritate and lose strictly
> >> >more subscribers.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >This requirement to migrate infra twice as part of moving to Apache
> >>seems
> >> >a bit hard on communities. It also seems like a requirement that will
> >>go
> >> >away if the changes you are pushing for to the incubation process (i.e.
> >> >podling TLPs) actually ever happen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Anyway, I see our options as:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >1. Migrate only the dev list now (since this is a smaller core group
> >>that
> >> >is more likely to migrate with us) and wait to create an apache users
> >> >list until we graduate and migrate from the users google group then.
> >>Con:
> >> >it's confusing to have user and dev
> >> > lists on different infra.
> >> >
> >> >2. Move the users list now, in which case we go with the migration
> >>plan I
> >> >proposed earlier. Con: migrating users list twice = more irritating to
> >> >users.
> >> >
> >> >Andy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
> >> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Hi Andy,
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >
> >> >From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>
> >> >Reply-To: "[email protected]"
> >> ><[email protected]>
> >> >Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:18 AM
> >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> >> >Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created!
> >> >
> >> >>This is great.
> >> >>
> >> >>Quick question about mailing lists: Spark also has a
> >> >>spark-users<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/spark-users>
> >> >>google
> >> >>group. Can we also get a [email protected] mailing list to have
> >> somewhere
> >> >>to migrate that group? Do I need to create an infra issue for this?
> >> >
> >> >OK, cool yeah I think I requested commits and dev as lists earlier, but
> >> >didn't request a user one. To request a new list, you go here:
> >> >
> >> >https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Did you request a list yet? Should i?
> >> >
> >> >(BTW sorry about the delay in responding was at a DARPA meeting all
> >>week
> >> >in
> >> >DC an am just back in California now catching up on everything).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>Also, we should discuss a strategy, and timeline for migrating the
> >> >>mailing
> >> >>lists over to the new ones.
> >> >>
> >> >>As far as a strategy, here are the steps I can think of that will help
> >> >>make
> >> >>for a smooth transition:
> >> >>
> >> >>   1. Request users list on apache infra (done)
> >> >>   2. Pick a day/time for the switch (how about July 1, assuming
> >> >>   [email protected] is set up by then)
> >> >>   3. At Switch time:
> >> >>      1. Make announcements on the dev and users mailing lists with
> >>links
> >> >>      to the new lists, instructions on how to subscribe, and a note
> >> >>saying all
> >> >>      conversations are moving over to that list.
> >> >>      2. Update the website with links to the new lists
> >> >>      3. Enable an auto responders on those lists with pointers to the
> >> >>new
> >> >>      apache lists
> >> >
> >> >Perfect! That's correct Andy.
> >> >
> >> >Cheers,
> >> >Chris
> >> >
> >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> >Senior Computer Scientist
> >> >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >> >Email: [email protected]
> >> >WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
> >> >>[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> CC'ing [email protected]: our first email to the dev list! :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> >>> Senior Computer Scientist
> >> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >> >>> Email: [email protected]
> >> >>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: Henry Saputra <[email protected]>
> >> >>> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:51 PM
> >> >>> To: jpluser <[email protected]>
> >> >>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin
> >> >>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur
> Dave
> >> >>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>,
> >>Haoyuan
> >> >>>Li
> >> >>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>,
> >> >>> Shivaram Venkataraman <[email protected]>, Mosharaf
> >>Chowdhury
> >> >>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss
> >><[email protected]>,
> >> >>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell
> >> >>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>,
> >> Ryan
> >> >>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya
> >> >>><[email protected]>,
> >> >>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans
> >> >>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>,
> >> >>>Thomas
> >> >>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra
> >> >>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman
> >> >>><[email protected]>,
> >> >>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang
> >><[email protected]
> >> >,
> >> >>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath
> >> >>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara
> >> >>><[email protected]>,
> >> >>> "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <[email protected]>, Roman
> >> >>>Shaposhnik
> >> >>> <[email protected]>, Suresh Marru <[email protected]>, "Hart, Andrew F
> >> >>> (398J)" <[email protected]>
> >> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >Thanks for driving this forward Chris, awesome as usual! =)
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >The mailing lists are ready:
> >> >>> >[email protected]
> >> >>> >[email protected]
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >[email protected]
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >You can subscribe by sending email to:
> >> >>> >[email protected]
> >> >>> >[email protected]
> >> >>> >[email protected]  -> This is moderated
> >> and
> >> >>> >only Sparks' committers, PPMC could subscribe to it.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Hopefully we could start communicating using the dev@ list
> starting
> >> >>>next
> >> >>> >week.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >For those new to ASF, welcome! =)
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Thanks,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Henry
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
> >> >>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Hi Everyone,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Just to double check: does everyone have an Apache Individual
> >> >>> >Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) on file? If you don't please
> >> >>> >head over to:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Please fill that out and then submit to
> >> >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >I'll make sure that everyone's account gets created and that
> >> >>> >karma for the Git repo is set up based on that, working with
> >> >>> >infra. I or any of the other mentors can help with this too.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Cheers,
> >> >>> >Chris
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>> >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> >>> >Senior Computer Scientist
> >> >>> >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> >>> >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >> >>> >Email: [email protected]
> >> >>> >WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>> >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> >>> >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >>> >From: <Mattmann>, jpluser <[email protected]>
> >> >>> >Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:16 PM
> >> >>> >To: jpluser <[email protected]>
> >> >>> >Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin
> >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur
> >>Dave
> >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>,
> >> Haoyuan
> >> >>>Li
> >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>,
> >> >>> Reynold
> >> >>> >Xin <[email protected]>, Shivaram Venkataraman
> >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury
> >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Charles Reiss
> >><[email protected]
> >> >,
> >> >>> >Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell
> >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>,
> >> >>>Ryan
> >> >>> >LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya
> >> >>><[email protected]
> >> >>> >,
> >> >>> >Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans
> >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]
> >,
> >> >>> Thomas
> >> >>> >Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra
> >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman
> >> >>><[email protected]>,
> >> >>> >Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang
> >> >>><[email protected]>,
> >> >>> >Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath
> >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Sean McNamara
> >> >>><[email protected]>
> >> >>> >Subject: Apache Spark podling: Created!
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >>Hi Everyone,
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>Until our mailing lists are created, will have to just reply all
> >> >>> >>to this list :)
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>Apache Spark (incubating) now is created! See:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>http://s.apache.org/yRh
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>Yay! Thanks for the support in getting this started! I've gone
> >> >>> >>ahead and filed the requisite INFRA tasks:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6417
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>per:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>You can follow the bootstrap process at INFRA-6417, by
> >> >>> >>putting yourself on the watch list for the issue. Now
> >> >>> >>I'll work with infra@ to get everything set up in terms of
> >> >>> >>mailing lists, etc, and then I'd appreciate everyone helping
> >> >>> >>in terms of letting folks know to migrate on the existing
> >> >>> >>email lists, and helping to work with me to get Git version
> >> >>> >>history transferred over, and to start moving the project
> >> >>> >>into the ASF.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>One other thing, Matei: it would be really nice to do a
> >> >>> >>software grant on this:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>From maybe AMPLab (and anyone else). Can you help take
> >> >>> >>the lead in getting that submitted to the Apache Secretary and
> >> >>> >>CC me?
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>Thanks guys! Progress :)
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>Our first Incubator PMC report is due in July. I'll prod and
> >> >>> >>help put it together. Until then, time to start transitioning
> >> >>> >>and helping to get the project moved on over.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>Cheers,
> >> >>> >>Chris
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>> >>Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> >>> >>Senior Computer Scientist
> >> >>> >>NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> >>> >>Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >> >>> >>Email: [email protected]
> >> >>> >>WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> >>> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>> >>Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> >>> >>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> >>> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>> >>
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