Hey Matei, ASF officers can request the list here:
https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator I've tried a few times to submit but the form seems to be down. I'll try again tomorrow. Cheers, Chris ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: [email protected] WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: Matei Zaharia <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 10:53 PM To: jpluser <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: Created!) >Hey Chris, given that we'll do this, how do we request a >[email protected] list? > >Matei > >On Jun 28, 2013, at 7:42 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" ><[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hey Matei, >> >> Yep the below is exactly what I suggested to Andy (per your plan below). >> >> And yep I think with the $p.i.a.o namespace the transition is pretty >> seamless and doesn't require much from the users. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: [email protected] >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matei Zaharia <[email protected]> >> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:29 PM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Cc: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, >> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: >> Created!) >> >>> Hey Chris, >>> >>> I definitely understand that we need to move to Apache lists, and I >>>think >>> that's fine, but maybe one question -- is it possible to transform the >>> *@spark.incubator.apache.org <http://spark.incubator.apache.org/> lists >>> into *@spark.apache.org <http://spark.apache.org/> more seamlessly when >>> we graduate? It's weird to ask users to move twice. If these could >>> somehow become aliases that would be ideal. >>> >>> In any case though, I think we'll have a gradual transition. I'd first >>> move the dev list over, then the user one, and for a while I'd keep >>>both >>> and keep a notice on the Google group. I'm not sure how Google groups >>> allow that but there must be a way. >>> >>> Matei >>> >>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:40 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hey Reynold, >>> >>> I hear your pain - trust me I do - but at the same time it doesn't >>> make sense to half complete bringing the community over. Mailing list >>> conversation (especially user oriented ones) are one of the core >>> portions of open source communities at least in my experience. >>> >>> There are not really many hard requirements here at the ASF -- there >>> are social norms and memes and old fuddy duddies like me who share >>> those memes and information with people to try and encourage open >>> source best practice, while at the same time trying not to disturb >>> all the awesomeness going on that you guys are leading. >>> >>> With that, how many users are we talking about on the user mailing >>> list at this point? Can you give me an exact count? >>> >>> I'm willing to spend the time to get people migrated now. Then, >>> migrating later from [email protected] to >>> [email protected] >>> will be really less of a hassle and a lot less difficult since we >>> are really moving from ezmlm to ezmlm. Also with the $podling.i.a.o >>> namespace I think even now we can use spark.apache.org (*think*) >>> which in turn could cause even less hassle later. In addition, like >>> I said, when we graduate to TLP I'll also be happy to contribute >>> time towards making the migration as seamless as possible. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Reynold Xin <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:08 PM >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: >>> Created!) >>> >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> There are a lot of user preferences set by them (e.g. individual >>>emails vs >>> batch) that wouldn't work when you just "import". If user list is not >>>an >>> absolute requirement for the incubator, it would make sense to delay >>> the migration of user lists until we are graduating to a TLP. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Andy et al., >>> >>> Why don't we just collect the current subscribers to the Google Group, >>> get them to me, and I'll subscribe them to the ASF new lists? I'm happy >>> to create a user list here at the ASF for the project, and to migrate >>> the users. Then all they would have to do is remember to use the new >>> email when addressing. A change, yes, I know, but still a minimal one. >>> >>> That OK? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> >>> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:04 PM >>> To: jpluser <[email protected]> >>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: >>> Created!) >>> >>> + [email protected] to loop in those who haven't >>> subscribed to [email protected] yet, (also because my emails are getting >>> bounced by Apache's spam filters). >>> >>> I wanted to respond here in the conversation about the mailing list >>> migration that was happening on the email thread called "Re: A wiki for >>> Spark (on Apache infra)"... >>> >>> Assuming that we Apache requires us to migrate from google groups to >>> lists on Apache infra, we might consider waiting to migrating the users >>> list to apache infra until after we graduate to a TLP, so that we only >>> have to migrate it once. >>> >>> >>> Here's why. I assume with each list migration that requires subscribers >>> to do work, we will lose some subscribers. If we ask them to migrate to >>> an incubator user list now and then again to yet a different list when >>> >>> >>> we >>> graduate to a TLP (which we hope to >>> do fairly quickly), it seems like we will irritate and lose strictly >>> more subscribers. >>> >>> >>> This requirement to migrate infra twice as part of moving to Apache >>> >>> >>> seems >>> a bit hard on communities. It also seems like a requirement that will >>> >>> >>> go >>> away if the changes you are pushing for to the incubation process (i.e. >>> podling TLPs) actually ever happen. >>> >>> >>> Anyway, I see our options as: >>> >>> >>> 1. Migrate only the dev list now (since this is a smaller core group >>> >>> >>> that >>> is more likely to migrate with us) and wait to create an apache users >>> list until we graduate and migrate from the users google group then. >>> >>> >>> Con: >>> it's confusing to have user and dev >>> lists on different infra. >>> >>> 2. Move the users list now, in which case we go with the migration >>> >>> >>> plan I >>> proposed earlier. Con: migrating users list twice = more irritating to >>> users. >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Andy, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:18 AM >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! >>> >>> This is great. >>> >>> Quick question about mailing lists: Spark also has a >>> spark-users<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/spark-users> >>> google >>> group. Can we also get a [email protected] mailing list to have >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> somewhere >>> to migrate that group? Do I need to create an infra issue for this? >>> >>> >>> >>> OK, cool yeah I think I requested commits and dev as lists earlier, but >>> didn't request a user one. To request a new list, you go here: >>> >>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator >>> >>> >>> Did you request a list yet? Should i? >>> >>> (BTW sorry about the delay in responding was at a DARPA meeting all >>> week >>> in >>> DC an am just back in California now catching up on everything). >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, we should discuss a strategy, and timeline for migrating the >>> mailing >>> lists over to the new ones. >>> >>> As far as a strategy, here are the steps I can think of that will help >>> make >>> for a smooth transition: >>> >>> 1. Request users list on apache infra (done) >>> 2. Pick a day/time for the switch (how about July 1, assuming >>> [email protected] is set up by then) >>> 3. At Switch time: >>> 1. Make announcements on the dev and users mailing lists with >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> links >>> to the new lists, instructions on how to subscribe, and a note >>> saying all >>> conversations are moving over to that list. >>> 2. Update the website with links to the new lists >>> 3. Enable an auto responders on those lists with pointers to the >>> new >>> apache lists >>> >>> >>> >>> Perfect! That's correct Andy. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> CC'ing [email protected]: our first email to the dev list! :) >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Henry Saputra <[email protected]> >>> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:51 PM >>> To: jpluser <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin >>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur Dave >>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Haoyuan >>> Li >>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, >>> Shivaram Venkataraman <[email protected]>, Mosharaf >>> >>> >>> Chowdhury >>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss >>> >>> >>> <[email protected]>, >>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell >>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, >>> >>> >>> Ryan >>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya >>> <[email protected]>, >>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans >>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, >>> Thomas >>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra >>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman >>> <[email protected]>, >>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang >>> >>> >>> <[email protected] >>> , >>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath >>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara >>> <[email protected]>, >>> "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <[email protected]>, Roman >>> Shaposhnik >>> <[email protected]>, Suresh Marru <[email protected]>, "Hart, Andrew F >>> (398J)" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! >>> >>> Thanks for driving this forward Chris, awesome as usual! =) >>> >>> >>> The mailing lists are ready: >>> [email protected] >>> [email protected] >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> You can subscribe by sending email to: >>> [email protected] >>> [email protected] >>> [email protected] -> This is moderated >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> and >>> only Sparks' committers, PPMC could subscribe to it. >>> >>> >>> Hopefully we could start communicating using the dev@ list starting >>> >>> >>> next >>> week. >>> >>> >>> For those new to ASF, welcome! =) >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Henry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Just to double check: does everyone have an Apache Individual >>> Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) on file? If you don't please >>> head over to: >>> >>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt >>> >>> >>> Please fill that out and then submit to >>> >>> >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> I'll make sure that everyone's account gets created and that >>> karma for the Git repo is set up based on that, working with >>> infra. I or any of the other mentors can help with this too. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: <Mattmann>, jpluser <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:16 PM >>> To: jpluser <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin >>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, >>> >>> >>> Haoyuan >>> Li >>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, >>> >>> >>> Reynold >>> Xin <[email protected]>, Shivaram Venkataraman >>> <[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury >>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <[email protected] >>> , >>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell >>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, >>> >>> >>> Ryan >>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya >>> >>> >>> <[email protected] >>> , >>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans >>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, >>> >>> >>> Thomas >>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra >>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman >>> >>> >>> <[email protected]>, >>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang >>> >>> >>> <[email protected]>, >>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath >>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara >>> >>> >>> <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Apache Spark podling: Created! >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Until our mailing lists are created, will have to just reply all >>> to this list :) >>> >>> Apache Spark (incubating) now is created! See: >>> >>> http://s.apache.org/yRh >>> >>> Yay! Thanks for the support in getting this started! I've gone >>> ahead and filed the requisite INFRA tasks: >>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6417 >>> >>> >>> per: >>> >>> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling >>> >>> >>> You can follow the bootstrap process at INFRA-6417, by >>> putting yourself on the watch list for the issue. Now >>> I'll work with infra@ to get everything set up in terms of >>> mailing lists, etc, and then I'd appreciate everyone helping >>> in terms of letting folks know to migrate on the existing >>> email lists, and helping to work with me to get Git version >>> history transferred over, and to start moving the project >>> into the ASF. >>> >>> One other thing, Matei: it would be really nice to do a >>> software grant on this: >>> >>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt >>> >>> >>> From maybe AMPLab (and anyone else). Can you help take >>> the lead in getting that submitted to the Apache Secretary and >>> CC me? >>> >>> Thanks guys! Progress :) >>> >>> Our first Incubator PMC report is due in July. I'll prod and >>> help put it together. Until then, time to start transitioning >>> and helping to get the project moved on over. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
