I don't see the point in bundling Shale into a "Struts 2.0" distribution. No 
offense to anyone who develops Shale, but when we have packages called 
"action2", it makes it pretty clear Shale is not Struts 2.0 -- only the action 
framework. Separate frameworks, imo, get different names and distributions. I 
am not offended Shale is within the Struts community, but I do not see it as 
the torch bearer to the name Struts -- I do see that with the AF, which 
historically holds the name. -- Paul

Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My quick thoughts: I think 
realistically either of the following two outcomes are positive developments 
for everyone:

1) We move in the direction of "Struts 2.0", which houses all SAF2 and Shale 
and get back for it being OK for folks to say, "I use Struts". We've all said 
we want to work together closer, but it's just talk until we take action to do 
so. This strategy, as proposed by Don in this thread, would be the first step 
in taking action.

2) Shale becomes a TLP. We continue to share code and ideas where it makes 
sense, but that is entirely optional. This is effectively what we have now, 
except that it would be formalized.

I would prefer option #1, but I know it could be hard to pull off. Either way, 
both are good routes to go down and would be healthy for the community.

Patrick
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