On 10/11/2015 03:30 AM, Jonathan Schneider wrote: > I hope this is simply another case of misunderstanding.
If anything, it might be a misunderstanding of what I wrote back. Companies can contribute to ASF projects, they can collaborate with projects, but both they AND we must do so as individuals - checking their company privileges, rules and hats at the door. The TinkerPop project cannot collaborate with a company, as we simply don't do that (ever), but they can collaborate with individuals of that company acting as individuals. My reply was as much a clarification of terms (contributors and collaborators) as it was a guideline. > > I do not mean to imply that there should be some relationship between > Netflix as an organization and the Tinkerpop project, merely that there are > a number of parties that are working on different sides of this problem and > it would be beneficial to have a quick live discussion about whether > Tinkerpop fits into this or not. > > The word "call" may have implied a private meeting as well, which was not > at all the intent. Can we host something on Apache Hipchat, Hangouts, or > whatever other medium is available that would allow anybody to join? > Perhaps recorded? Again, this depends on the independence of the people you are talking to and the outcome. If this is an Apache (or MIT/BSD-style) licensed open source project, then you are of course welcome to add support for it, provided you handle the press/marketing/announcement around it in a neutral manner, so as to not give the impression that any favors have been played here (I'm quite well aware of the _why_ here, but public perception is also a key element in staying neutral. Not only must we act neutral, we must also tell it in a neutral way). > > Daniel - I hope you don't mean to imply that there can be no collaboration > between ASF projects and open source projects that happen to be steered by > private companies. That seems painfully limiting if true. That was not what I was implying, no. But, as stated above, you cannot collaborate with a company, only the individuals in that company. GOOD: We just collaborated with committers from the XYZ project BAD: We just had a conf call with $company folks, and their boss says... The above is a bit cartoonish, but I hope it illustrates my point. With regards, Daniel. > > Jon > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:04 PM Daniel Gruno <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 10/10/2015 07:43 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote: >>> Hello Jon, >>> >>>> Netflix has recently released a similar library called Falcor >>>> <http://netflix.github.io/falcor/>. They are optimized for slightly >>>> different uses, but are both angling at solving the over/under fetching >>>> problem and are more or less equivalent. >>> >>> Gotcha. >>> >>>> Netflix has a need for a solid binding between Falcor/GraphQL and >> Tinkerpop >>>> immediately and I'm sure several of us could help. Could we set up an >>>> introductory call with the Netflix UI Engineering, Platform, and >>>> Engineering Tools teams that are all hacking at this from different >> angles? >>> >>> Excellent. Yes, lets have a call. However, before I commit lets wait for >> an answer to: >>> >>> MENTORS: Is it "okay" to have a phone call (thus "off list") with a >> commercial entity to talk about their use of TinkerPop and about potential >> collaborations? >>> >> >> It's not okay for the Tinkerpop project, and it's not okay to discuss >> this on the dev list. >> If you, as an individual, want to make that phone call, fine, but as a >> project, Tinkerpop must be completely vendor neutral. >> >> Companies cannot - I repeat cannot - collaborate with a project. They >> can sponsor items (without their branding on), and they can pay devs to >> program as *independent individuals* (provided they gain the merit for >> this), but companies themselves cannot contribute to an ASF project and >> likewise, the ASF cannot contribute to or collaborate with companies. >> >> With regards, >> Daniel. >> >
