Hey Jon,
Perhaps lets start slow and surefooted by jumping into TinkerPop's Apache
HipChat room sometime this week. The public URL for anyone to join and chat is
here:
https://www.hipchat.com/gz5JlgJBC
This way Gruno can monitor the discussion and if he feels comfortable with how
things are unfolding, then we can increase the bandwidth accordingly.
I'm in there all day 5 days a week, but if you want to propose a specific time,
please do.
Marko.
http://markorodriguez.com
On Oct 11, 2015, at 5:44 AM, Daniel Gruno <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/11/2015 03:30 AM, Jonathan Schneider wrote:
>> I hope this is simply another case of misunderstanding.
>
> If anything, it might be a misunderstanding of what I wrote back.
> Companies can contribute to ASF projects, they can collaborate with
> projects, but both they AND we must do so as individuals - checking
> their company privileges, rules and hats at the door. The TinkerPop
> project cannot collaborate with a company, as we simply don't do that
> (ever), but they can collaborate with individuals of that company acting
> as individuals. My reply was as much a clarification of terms
> (contributors and collaborators) as it was a guideline.
>
>>
>> I do not mean to imply that there should be some relationship between
>> Netflix as an organization and the Tinkerpop project, merely that there are
>> a number of parties that are working on different sides of this problem and
>> it would be beneficial to have a quick live discussion about whether
>> Tinkerpop fits into this or not.
>>
>> The word "call" may have implied a private meeting as well, which was not
>> at all the intent. Can we host something on Apache Hipchat, Hangouts, or
>> whatever other medium is available that would allow anybody to join?
>> Perhaps recorded?
>
> Again, this depends on the independence of the people you are talking to
> and the outcome. If this is an Apache (or MIT/BSD-style) licensed open
> source project, then you are of course welcome to add support for it,
> provided you handle the press/marketing/announcement around it in a
> neutral manner, so as to not give the impression that any favors have
> been played here (I'm quite well aware of the _why_ here, but public
> perception is also a key element in staying neutral. Not only must we
> act neutral, we must also tell it in a neutral way).
>
>>
>> Daniel - I hope you don't mean to imply that there can be no collaboration
>> between ASF projects and open source projects that happen to be steered by
>> private companies. That seems painfully limiting if true.
>
> That was not what I was implying, no. But, as stated above, you cannot
> collaborate with a company, only the individuals in that company.
>
> GOOD: We just collaborated with committers from the XYZ project
> BAD: We just had a conf call with $company folks, and their boss says...
>
> The above is a bit cartoonish, but I hope it illustrates my point.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:04 PM Daniel Gruno <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/10/2015 07:43 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
>>>> Hello Jon,
>>>>
>>>>> Netflix has recently released a similar library called Falcor
>>>>> <http://netflix.github.io/falcor/>. They are optimized for slightly
>>>>> different uses, but are both angling at solving the over/under fetching
>>>>> problem and are more or less equivalent.
>>>>
>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>
>>>>> Netflix has a need for a solid binding between Falcor/GraphQL and
>>> Tinkerpop
>>>>> immediately and I'm sure several of us could help. Could we set up an
>>>>> introductory call with the Netflix UI Engineering, Platform, and
>>>>> Engineering Tools teams that are all hacking at this from different
>>> angles?
>>>>
>>>> Excellent. Yes, lets have a call. However, before I commit lets wait for
>>> an answer to:
>>>>
>>>> MENTORS: Is it "okay" to have a phone call (thus "off list") with a
>>> commercial entity to talk about their use of TinkerPop and about potential
>>> collaborations?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not okay for the Tinkerpop project, and it's not okay to discuss
>>> this on the dev list.
>>> If you, as an individual, want to make that phone call, fine, but as a
>>> project, Tinkerpop must be completely vendor neutral.
>>>
>>> Companies cannot - I repeat cannot - collaborate with a project. They
>>> can sponsor items (without their branding on), and they can pay devs to
>>> program as *independent individuals* (provided they gain the merit for
>>> this), but companies themselves cannot contribute to an ASF project and
>>> likewise, the ASF cannot contribute to or collaborate with companies.
>>>
>>> With regards,
>>> Daniel.
>>>
>>
>
