Thanks for all your replies. The basic feeling I see is: "Trafodion is actively working on getting new non Esgyn committers but to get people's interest and get them to follow with contributions is tough."
But this doesn't indicate whether we should or should not try for TLP. Let's make it more simple: +1 = discussion over - go for TLP at this time 0 = not sure, discuss some more -1 = wait until we get more non Esgyn committers or at least until we get more contributors that have the potential to be committers. Something to keep in mind, even if we decide to go for TLP, we might get turned down by the IPMC. To get a feel for IPMC's thoughts, our mentor Stack sent out a message to the general incubator list with the following request "We'd like to solicit feedback on whether the Trafodiion project is ready to go TLP. I am the project Champion writing on behalf of the project PMC. Our clutch report is nice and healthy [2]. Our up-to-date status page can be found here [1.]. Development is brisk. We've made two releases out of incubator up to this (with another up for vote). We have taken on new committers since we entered incubation about a year ago. The main downside that we see is that we have few users -- going by traffic up on the mailing list -- and that near all committers are from a single company, Esgyn (Three committers are not Esgyn employees)." There we a few replies, many of them requesting more details. However there was one from John Ament -> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201606.mbox/%3CCAOqetn-Gm%2BDWZ3PTXtV3wk9npiGxz0AX3q%2BpbkLkRvpYT_kuyw%40mail.gmail.com%3E "I think my concern is around community growth based on what's being described. I can understand the company focusing on this technology, but we want a diverse community. If there are any up coming committers who are not company employees that would be great to see. Otherwise there's high reliance on salaried employees still. John" Roberta -----Original Message----- From: Carol Pearson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 3:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Tradofion TLP (top level project) status Hi, I look forward to the discussion on the general list - I hope we get some great feedback from that, including specific guidance if someone thinks we're not ready. If you don't try... you don't know.... --Carol P. --------------------------------------------------------------- Email: [email protected] Twitter: @CarolP222 --------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Gunnar Tapper <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > IMO, this project is ready for TLP application. > > As a matter of fact, I suspect that TLP will help attract contributors > spanning from users to coders and all other forms of contributors. > > Thanks, > > Gunnar > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Dave Birdsall > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Regarding getting more contributors: > > > > Seems like there are two issues. One is overcoming the learning > > curve of contributing, as you mentioned; the other is finding people > > who would be motivated to contribute to this particular project. > > > > I think we can address the first with more tutorials on our web site > and/or > > wiki. Already there is an excellent tutorial on UDFs. Contributing > > in the engine is a more complicated endeavor, but perhaps with > > appropriate internal documentation and descriptions of debugging > > tools we can lower the bar. > > > > The second issue is more difficult. There are many ways to > > contribute, of course. UDFs has been mentioned in the past. Perhaps > > we can cultivate a culture of users contributing some of their more > > interesting UDFs. > > > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roberta Marton [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:31 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [DISCUSS] Tradofion TLP (top level project) status > > > > We entered Apache Incubation May 24, 2015 so we have been > > incubating for about a year. > > > > We have completed 2 major releases and there is a patch release in > > progress. > > > > Once the patch release completes, we support: > > > > - Source tar files > > > > - Binary tar files > > > > - Distribution support for vanilla Apache, Hortonworks, and > > Cloudera > > > > - Apache web site and wiki > > > > - Up to date documentation > > > > > > > > With the patch release, we believe all licensing issues have been > > addressed. > > > > > > > > So the next decision is whether we should apply for top level > > project status. > > > > The Trafodion PMC discussed this topic and the impression is that > Trafodion > > is doing well in many aspects - it has a large community, gets a lot > > of contributions (code, documentation, testing, etc.) and has a > > vibrant conversation going on in the email lists, particularly on > > the development side. The main problem is that still too many folks > > are working for the same company, Esgyn. So, in terms of raw numbers > > we are good, but we might not be diverse enough as measured by > > number of independent organizations. > > > > What does everyone in the dev group think? If we have to increase > > our diversity, how can this be done? Given the complexity of > > Trafodion it is not easy for a new contributor to become a committer > > without a lengthy > learning > > curve. > > > > > > > > Roberta > > > > > > -- > Thanks, > > Gunnar > *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >
