+1 On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Roberta Marton <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for all your replies. > The basic feeling I see is: > "Trafodion is actively working on getting new non Esgyn committers but to > get people's interest and get them to follow with contributions is tough." > > But this doesn't indicate whether we should or should not try for TLP. > Let's make it more simple: > > +1 = discussion over - go for TLP at this time > 0 = not sure, discuss some more > -1 = wait until we get more non Esgyn committers or at least until we get > more contributors that have the potential to be committers. > > Something to keep in mind, even if we decide to go for TLP, we might get > turned down by the IPMC. > To get a feel for IPMC's thoughts, our mentor Stack sent out a message to > the general incubator list with the following request > > "We'd like to solicit feedback on whether the Trafodiion project is ready > to > go TLP. I am the project Champion writing on behalf of the project PMC. > > Our clutch report is nice and healthy [2]. Our up-to-date status page can > be found here [1.]. Development is brisk. We've made two releases out of > incubator up to this (with another up for vote). We have taken on new > committers since we entered incubation about a year ago. > > The main downside that we see is that we have few users -- going by traffic > up on the mailing list -- and that near all committers are from a single > company, Esgyn (Three committers are not Esgyn employees)." > > There we a few replies, many of them requesting more details. However > there > was one from John Ament -> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201606.mbox/%3CCAOqetn-Gm%2BDWZ3PTXtV3wk9npiGxz0AX3q%2BpbkLkRvpYT_kuyw%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > "I think my concern is around community growth based on what's being > described. I can understand the company focusing on this technology, but > we want a diverse community. If there are any up coming committers who are > not company employees that would be great to see. Otherwise there's high > reliance on salaried employees still. > > John" > > Roberta > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Pearson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 3:14 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Tradofion TLP (top level project) status > > Hi, > > I look forward to the discussion on the general list - I hope we get some > great feedback from that, including specific guidance if someone thinks > we're not ready. If you don't try... you don't know.... > > --Carol P. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Email: [email protected] > Twitter: @CarolP222 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Gunnar Tapper <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > IMO, this project is ready for TLP application. > > > > As a matter of fact, I suspect that TLP will help attract contributors > > spanning from users to coders and all other forms of contributors. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gunnar > > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Dave Birdsall > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Regarding getting more contributors: > > > > > > Seems like there are two issues. One is overcoming the learning > > > curve of contributing, as you mentioned; the other is finding people > > > who would be motivated to contribute to this particular project. > > > > > > I think we can address the first with more tutorials on our web site > > and/or > > > wiki. Already there is an excellent tutorial on UDFs. Contributing > > > in the engine is a more complicated endeavor, but perhaps with > > > appropriate internal documentation and descriptions of debugging > > > tools we can lower the bar. > > > > > > The second issue is more difficult. There are many ways to > > > contribute, of course. UDFs has been mentioned in the past. Perhaps > > > we can cultivate a culture of users contributing some of their more > > > interesting UDFs. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Roberta Marton [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:31 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [DISCUSS] Tradofion TLP (top level project) status > > > > > > We entered Apache Incubation May 24, 2015 so we have been > > > incubating for about a year. > > > > > > We have completed 2 major releases and there is a patch release in > > > progress. > > > > > > Once the patch release completes, we support: > > > > > > - Source tar files > > > > > > - Binary tar files > > > > > > - Distribution support for vanilla Apache, Hortonworks, and > > > Cloudera > > > > > > - Apache web site and wiki > > > > > > - Up to date documentation > > > > > > > > > > > > With the patch release, we believe all licensing issues have been > > > addressed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So the next decision is whether we should apply for top level > > > project status. > > > > > > The Trafodion PMC discussed this topic and the impression is that > > Trafodion > > > is doing well in many aspects - it has a large community, gets a lot > > > of contributions (code, documentation, testing, etc.) and has a > > > vibrant conversation going on in the email lists, particularly on > > > the development side. The main problem is that still too many folks > > > are working for the same company, Esgyn. So, in terms of raw numbers > > > we are good, but we might not be diverse enough as measured by > > > number of independent organizations. > > > > > > What does everyone in the dev group think? If we have to increase > > > our diversity, how can this be done? Given the complexity of > > > Trafodion it is not easy for a new contributor to become a committer > > > without a lengthy > > learning > > > curve. > > > > > > > > > > > > Roberta > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > > > Gunnar > > *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* > > > -- Thanks, Gunnar *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
