On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 at 11:04, Jiri Vanek <jva...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> On 7/6/22 01:24, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > On 06. 07. 22 1:17, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >> On 06. 07. 22 0:14, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> >>> Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> >>>> Hyperbole aside, it isn't a joke. Looking at the chain we see a common
>
>
> If mesa's i686 support should be removed, then this proposal would need to be
> reverted.
>
> I had filled bugs against all native direct dependencies of java (eg
> subversion) and against all packages, which transitively depends on java, and
> are themsleves important (being dependence of 78+ other pkgs[that is where
> the non linear
> curve really started to grow]). All direct no-arch deps got injected
> ExclusiveArch: %{java_arches}. See
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Drop_i686_JDKs#Workflow; there are
> also exact listings of what was filled bug agasint.
>
> >>>> problem where subversion relies on java-11-openjdk and without it is
> >>>> going
> >>>> to cause a lot of packages to be removed. Either subversion needs to lose
> >>>> that requirement or a lot of packages are going to get removed as failure
> >>>> to build in i686.
> >>>>
> >>>> libglvnd-glx<-mesa-libGL<-libxcb<-doxygen<-git<-subversion<-java-11-
> >>> openjdk-devel
> >>>>
> >>>> This email isn't a comment about it being a good or bad thing.. it is
> >>>> just
> >>>> what is being presented.
> >>>
> >>> I do not see why bogus "bug" reports are filed against a bazillion
> >>> packages
> >>> when subversion is the only package that needs to be fixed.
>
> I cant agree. Of course subversion is main to act, but afaik all its
> dependence should be warned. Otherwise they would suddenly got very weird
> FTBFS on i686.
No they won't, because only the subversion-hljava subpackage depends
on java, so packages that have Requires:subversion or BR:subversion
are not affected at all by removing subversion-hljava on i686.
> My investigations shown, probably nothing will be affected by removal of jdk
> on i686 and the fix in subversion and automake/autotools is fluid and, again,
> will damage nothing. However I'm not sure. I can not possibly see into all
> details of
> all affected packages.
> Where casual pkg which is being depndent by nothing, may simply get weird
> FTBFS, but not a package, on which half of the system depend.
> >>>
> >>> File a bug against subversion, put it on the release blocker tracker, and
> >>> do
> >>> not waste everyone else's time.
>
> Thus saying, is it really waste of time? I really doubt. It is making people
> aware of quite major happening, and thus about fact, that they may be
> affected, even if they did not know. Maybe "the script that generated this
> data and filed
> bugs for
> packages affected by the removal of Java packages on i686 was a bit
> over-zealous." ( to quote :) ) but I still somehow finds it correct.
A HEADS UP email to this list makes people aware. Dozens of bugs that
will be closed without action is not helpful though.
> >>
> >> Jiri, could you please close all the bugzillas that were only opened due
> >> to the subversion<-java dependency now when
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2103909 was fixed?
> >
> > I've closed some bugs for very important components manualy, but there are
> > simply too many.
>
> Argh:( You should have not. I'm really reluctant to do so. How can you proof
> the package is really not affected by the change?
Because it's obvious from looking at the subversion.spec that the main
'subversion' RPM is not affected in any way by the Java changes.
> I have actually second set of dependent packages (with 50-77 dependencies)
> prepared to fill bug aganst, if the mass rebuild next week goes bad.
>
> If this thread asks me to close the transitive depndencies of subversion to
> be closed, I will do so. But I relly think it is bad idea. Owner should
> check the impact, and close on his own. And actually it is no tso much. It is
> less then 50
> which depends *only* on subversion.
But depending on subversion is the wrong check, because subversion
doesn't depend on Java, only subversion-hljava does.
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