On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 6:40 AM Jaroslav Mracek <jmra...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Pavel,
>
> May I ask you to be more specific what is the problem with including 
> references for issues? I am not sure whether your issues are related to 
> issues referenced by Fabio or whether you have in mind something else. It 
> will help us to prioritize the work.
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 10:50 AM Pavel Březina <pbrez...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/13/23 23:59, Fabio Valentini wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'm opening this thread to trigger discussion of the roadmap for DNF5
>> > in Fedora 39 - whether the switch still looks doable for this release,
>> > or whether it should be reverted for F39 and postponed to F40.
>>
>> +1 for postponing. We have hit issues preparing CI environment via
>> ansible and applying workarounds to make dnf5 work is imho not the way
>> to go with such core tool. It should be there as opt-in so it can get
>> tested but not default.
>
>
> DNF5 was released in Fedora 38 where it replaced microdnf, therefore it was 
> possible to test it in Fedora 38

Except dnf5 broke a number of microdnf usecases with low memory where
microdnf worked [1].

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2214520

> Best regards
>
> Jaroslav
>
>>
>>
>> > This is also being tracked in a FESCo ticket:
>> > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3039
>> >
>> > The DNF5 Change was approved with the condition that bits that are
>> > important to the distribution *MUST* work, but this does not seem to
>> > be the case yet, six months after this was initially approved -
>> > there's at least a few things that are still using dnf-3 or have been
>> > broken since the switch to dnf5:
>> >
>> > - rawhide mock / koji builds still default to dnf-3 (DNF 4)
>> > - Fedora CI has been partially broken since the switch to DNF5 (c.f.
>> > [fedora-ci/general#416](https://pagure.io/fedora-ci/general/issue/416)),
>> > making CI results for bodhi updates at least partially useless
>> > - fedora-review has been broken since the switch to DNF5 (c.f.
>> > [FedoraReview#482](FedoraReview/issue/482)), which is really hurting
>> > the rate at which new packages are getting reviewed and added to
>> > Fedora
>> > - (not an exhaustive list, feel free to mention other things, I will
>> > update the list to include them)
>> >
>> > We are now mere days before the Fedora 39 mass rebuild is scheduled to
>> > start, so I think it's time to start talking about the roadmap for
>> > getting missing pieces into place for Fedora 39, or if that is not
>> > possible within this timeframe, whether the contingency mechanism
>> > should be enacted.
>> >
>> > Fabio
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