Gregor -- I think you intentionally misinterpret the intention of the code of conduct.
"Gregor Kopka" <[email protected]> wrote: > > ?Avoid humor that is personal in nature, > all humor is a matter of personal preference Yes but this part of the CoC doesn't seem to be about the subjectivity of humor and more about humor directed at individuals or maybe humor that relies on personal details of an individual or group. I hope you're intentionally missing the intent of this rule. > > mean-spirited > > in the eye of the beholder Maybe but this rule does two things: It sets an inital bavioral benchmark for each individual. For whatever *you* think "mean-spirited" means, hopefully you will not do that here. In the case wwhere there is a question about something mean-spirited, the group or leadership here has the opportunity to make an decision about it based on the tone, ethos, climate, etc. they want to set for this community. I also think it is often clear when something is mean spirited. Either way: having such a rule allows members to evaluate if something is mean spirited which is better than the abscence of such a rule. > > and discourteous to others, > > a matter of taste Likewise, I think discourteous behavior is pretty easy to identify but again, having the rule in place allows us to asses and discuss what meets the criteria for discourteous if is is ever unclear. I prefer to have the rule in place as a filter for people's individual judgement than not have it at all. > > demonstrating bullying intent. > > depending on how snowflake one feels this can be 'Hello.' Ah -- "snowflake". > > Avoid the use of any language that is > > what language are we talking about? british english? american english? > australian english? what politeless level being required? what social circle > from the word pool being required to be? native speaker only or is learned > later as a foreign language still ok? google translate assisted for the ones > not fluent in english acceptable? I hope you're intentionally mis-interpreting this rule. > > intentionally > > only one person in the world, at maximum, can know that information Not true. You can sometimes easily discern people's intent. Yes, you could argue that only one person can every truly understand someone's intent but, as a group who's goal is to set forth a code of conduct for its members, I think we can choose to set the bar for determining one's intent lower than actually seeing what's in someone else's brain. Certainly intent can be largely determined by people's past behavior, apparent motives, and other contextual clues. > > provocative > > depends on how provoked someone wants to feel This is something you have to consider if you want to build an inclusive community. Perhaps something you didn't think was provocative yesterday might become provocative today. Fluidity and willingness to reevaluate your standards is important. > > gender > > do we also have to keep lists of who wants to be addressed how > (he/she/it/they/them/hir/xir/flurry/... and whatever else someone might come > up with)? Nobody said that. You're intentionally making it seem as thought being courteous to other people is onerous or oppressive. > My point is: in case someone *wants* (for whatever reason) to be offended > then that someone *will be*, amount to their liking, no matter what. > > And should such a someone be able to weaponize a CoC there is the chance of > exactly that happening, possibly causing as much damage as can be done in > doing so. Please don't hand out the equivalent of loaded guns for people to > point in directions you might never envision others to point them, simply > from the fact that you wouldn't even get such an idea as you're acting in > good faith toward others. Hint: Not everyone is like that and with a gameable > thing like a CoC there's a good chance to attract the ones that are *not*. > > IMHO this should simply be discarded and replaced by a simple *don't be an > asshole* - for really problematic cases there is law enforcment. I disagree. As someone who's part of a marginalized group, I recognize that "don't be an asshole" doesn't always cut it. The times that such CoCs are used against a community are marginal compared to the positive effect of making spaces inclusive. Keep up the good work openzfs organizers. -ayan ------------------------------------------ openzfs: openzfs-developer Permalink: https://openzfs.topicbox.com/groups/developer/T5dc11696c7b4bddb-M064ddd5c9a6fa8e982f7805c Delivery options: https://openzfs.topicbox.com/groups/developer/subscription
