> > On Jan 20, 2014, at 7:55 PM, Allan Sandfeld Jensen <k...@carewolf.com> > wrote: > > > On Monday 20 January 2014, Thiago Macieira wrote: > >> On segunda-feira, 20 de janeiro de 2014 17:36:26, Kurt Pattyn wrote: > >>> The CI system is still building for OSX 10.6. > >>> Given the fact that OSX is at version 10.9 now, shouldn't the build for > >>> 10.6 be removed, and ideally replaced with a build for OSX 10.9? > >> > >> Only if we decide to stop supporting 10.6 entirely. So the question is: do > >> we drop it? > >> > >> Mac devs, what say you? > > > > Could we drop support for build on 10.6, but still support it as runtime > > platform? That seems to be how Apple prefers to support older versions. > The > > question is of course if out CI system would be able to handle building on > > 10.7 but running on 10.6 > > > IIRC, this has been the official statement since Qt 5.0. And yet, for some > reason, the CI is treating 10.6 as any other platform. > > If you do the math from the data available here > http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market- > share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 (that's December 2013), 10.6 accounts > for slightly less than 20% of all the OS X versions. Let's suppose those > numbers reflect the reality. > > Is 20% a lot? I don't know. Is that 20% the same proportion for Qt 5 > end-users? > Or Qt 5 developers making a life out of it? Absolutely no idea. Do I see that > many bugs reported on 10.6? No, not at all. > > The truth is, market share doesn't mean anything. Point in case: According to > the link above, OS X is less than 8% of the total market share. Should we then > drop the Mac port completely? > > For all I know, that twenty-something percent of Mac users running 10.6 or > earlier are all grandma and grandpa who only use Safari, Skype, and maybe > some spreadsheet software for tax returns. For all I know, none of them use > any Qt 5 based software. And why would they? They haven't updated their > system in years. But maybe I'm wrong, and I'd like to be proven so. > > So, can someone tell me what that 20% really means for Qt 5 and its > developers? This is what it means for me. > > We are not that many working on the Mac port. I can think about 6-8 people, > including me, and AFAIK none of us works 100% on the Mac port (I'd say the > average is below 50%, so that's 3-4 full-time people maximum). And the > widgets Mac style code is a mess because we still support 10.6. And we can't > still use ARC because of 10.6 and some old Xcode version. And have you seen > the CoreWLAN bear management plugin and how we support 10.6? > Fullscreen mode hacks? Thank 10.6. Building WebKit and C++ 11, anyone? > > Don't give me "But 20% market share" or "The XP of Apple" when the debate > about ending support for 10.6 comes. Give me facts. Give me numbers that > concern Qt 5. Give me reasons why we should keep parts of Qt in such > unsatisfactory state. > > I only work on my little things, and 10.6 is a burden for me. So, you who work > out there, that see people using Qt 5 apps, tell me, is it worth it?
Have you noticed this thread http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2014-January/015078.html ? You are talking about dropping 10.6 support, whereas we are dropping 10.7 as well from the CI. I know support and CI aren't the same thing, but you might want to object our plan which as of now hasn't received any criticism. Our 5.3 plan is here: https://wiki.it.local/display/QTCOM/Qt5.3+Supported+host+platforms Br, -Tony _______________________________________________ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development