> > > > > > On Jan 20, 2014, at 7:55 PM, Allan Sandfeld Jensen <k...@carewolf.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Monday 20 January 2014, Thiago Macieira wrote: > > > >> On segunda-feira, 20 de janeiro de 2014 17:36:26, Kurt Pattyn wrote: > > > >>> The CI system is still building for OSX 10.6. > > > >>> Given the fact that OSX is at version 10.9 now, shouldn't the build > > > >>> for > > > >>> 10.6 be removed, and ideally replaced with a build for OSX 10.9? > > > >> > > > >> Only if we decide to stop supporting 10.6 entirely. So the question is: > do > > > >> we drop it? > > > >> > > > >> Mac devs, what say you? > > > > > > > > Could we drop support for build on 10.6, but still support it as runtime > > > > platform? That seems to be how Apple prefers to support older > versions. > > > The > > > > question is of course if out CI system would be able to handle building > on > > > > 10.7 but running on 10.6 > > > > > > > > > IIRC, this has been the official statement since Qt 5.0. And yet, for some > > > reason, the CI is treating 10.6 as any other platform. > > > > > > If you do the math from the data available here > > > http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market- > > > share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 (that's December 2013), 10.6 > accounts > > > for slightly less than 20% of all the OS X versions. Let's suppose those > > > numbers reflect the reality. > > > > > > Is 20% a lot? I don't know. Is that 20% the same proportion for Qt 5 end- > > users? > > > Or Qt 5 developers making a life out of it? Absolutely no idea. Do I see > that > > > many bugs reported on 10.6? No, not at all. > > > > > > The truth is, market share doesn't mean anything. Point in case: > According > > to > > > the link above, OS X is less than 8% of the total market share. Should we > > then > > > drop the Mac port completely? > > > > > > For all I know, that twenty-something percent of Mac users running 10.6 > or > > > earlier are all grandma and grandpa who only use Safari, Skype, and > maybe > > > some spreadsheet software for tax returns. For all I know, none of them > > use > > > any Qt 5 based software. And why would they? They haven't updated > their > > > system in years. But maybe I'm wrong, and I'd like to be proven so. > > > > > > So, can someone tell me what that 20% really means for Qt 5 and its > > > developers? This is what it means for me. > > > > > > We are not that many working on the Mac port. I can think about 6-8 > > people, > > > including me, and AFAIK none of us works 100% on the Mac port (I'd say > > the > > > average is below 50%, so that's 3-4 full-time people maximum). And the > > > widgets Mac style code is a mess because we still support 10.6. And we > > can't > > > still use ARC because of 10.6 and some old Xcode version. And have you > > seen > > > the CoreWLAN bear management plugin and how we support 10.6? > > > Fullscreen mode hacks? Thank 10.6. Building WebKit and C++ 11, anyone? > > > > > > Don't give me "But 20% market share" or "The XP of Apple" when the > > debate > > > about ending support for 10.6 comes. Give me facts. Give me numbers > that > > > concern Qt 5. Give me reasons why we should keep parts of Qt in such > > > unsatisfactory state. > > > > > > I only work on my little things, and 10.6 is a burden for me. So, you who > > work > > > out there, that see people using Qt 5 apps, tell me, is it worth it? > > > > Have you noticed this thread http://lists.qt- > > project.org/pipermail/development/2014-January/015078.html ? > > > > You are talking about dropping 10.6 support, whereas we are dropping 10.7 > > as well from the CI. > > I know support and CI aren't the same thing, but you might want to object > > our plan which as of now hasn't received any criticism. > > > > Our 5.3 plan is here: > > https://wiki.it.local/display/QTCOM/Qt5.3+Supported+host+platforms > > > > And the public link: https://qt- > project.org/wiki/Qt_5_3_CI_packaging_RTA_environments
Thank you :) I'll close that tab now. Second time I pasted the internal link by mistake ;) -Tony _______________________________________________ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development