On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:12:46 AM Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > > Even for Ubuntu this would not work.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > I've been seeing lots of non-security package updates for Ubuntu over the
> > years. I don't understand why packaging it would require us to "freeze"
> > it.
> > I am not even certain what you mean by "freezing" it?
>
> LTS releases are frozen for 7 years. Even normal releases typically are run
> for at least a year.
>
> Frozen = no code changes other than important bug fixes. In particular,
> major changes to solve architectural problems (e.g. to improve security)
> are unacceptable.
I don't get this. You're trying to tell me that Ubuntu doesn't accept security
updates? Of course they do. My machines even install security updates
automatically and email me the changelogs and tell me to reboot if needed.
> But go look up the policies for yourself if you don't believe me.
I believe you that there are certain restrictions.
But I think you are exaggerating their imptact.
What I especially dislike is that we don't do proper maintenance of the
Windows installer because we all use Linux AND don't offer proper Linux
packages, which is a MAJOR drawback for Linux users.
If we are completely honest, the convention with Linux is: Don't install stuff
which is not in the package manager, it is dangerous.
Given that Ubuntu is the #1 Linux distribution - like it or not - we should at
least *try* to get into their official package management.
I think the restrictions which you are talking about probably only apply if
you expect the Ubuntu folks to maintain the packages on their own.
I highly doubt that they will reject volunteer package maintenance. They are
an open source project just like we are, and probably are happy about every
volunteer they can get.
I would like to close this mail with a forward of the update list my
Ubuntu12.10 laptop sent me a week ago - all those updates became available in
one day:
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: 226 Ubuntu package update(s) for xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 01:02:28 PM
From: laptop@xxxxxxxx
To: root@xxxxxxx
apticron report [Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:02:13 +0100]
========================================================================
apticron has detected that some packages need upgrading on:
xxxxxxxxxx
[ xxxxxxxx ]
The following packages are currently pending an upgrade since the last run:
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