Am Freitag, 21. Dezember 2012, 21:56:16 schrieb Matthew Toseland: > > That still allows anarchist groups to interconnect (they just need to hide > > their decision making structures, but not that they are in the group). > > Well, if the authorities seize your node, they will have your friends from > your darknet peers. If they even surveil your connection, they'll have your > darknet peers. Your darknet peers should not therefore give away any > relationships they can't find out about easily enough anyway.
If the authorities seize your node, they’ll also seize your computer, and then they will have your emails and mobile phone. So if you communicate with them electronically, you can connect with Freenet. Freenet then does not serve to hide that you are connected but only to hide how you communicate. You will very likely have a social structure where someone coordinates most things, and that one would be a primary target. Freenet would allow hiding that structure, so outsiders could not find your coordinator, even though they might know all of you. > > E > > > > i2p > > > > C ⇔tor⇔ J ⇔tor⇔ Alice > > > > i2p > > > > D > > Hmmm... problems: > > 1. Tor may be blocked. Sure, then Very Secret Activist J. loses his connections. But he could be able to find non-blocked connections from time to time. Or a VPN spot. > 2. Even if it's not, using it may make the activist in question more > visible. That yes, but from what I can gather, tor is much more widespread than freenet, so it is much less noticeable. It has about half a million users: https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html > > Essentially J can bring people into the group of Alice, D E and F without > > exposing himself to them. > > > > The only thing needed for that is a bundle which *only* includes the > > noderefs of FOAFs, but not the noderef of the offering node. > > What is his connection status? Is he a friend or an FOAF? Still not sure I > follow this... Bob would then be a FOAF to Alice, D, E and F. J. would not be anything (I don’t know if that is possible, though). > > I think that this is pretty close to “don’t crack your freenet”. Because > > the bad guys don’t know me, yet, but my friends do. So if we assume that > > not every opennet user is automatically subject to surveillance, the > > chance that my friends try to surveil me is actually higher - if my > > friends are people who would crack freenet to spy on me. > > Right, but if we assume that, we're criminally stupid. Jepp, but well… …cracking Freenet is what they would have to do, though I can imagene someone creating a plugin to do the spying. Then we would be back at “friends don’t try to spy on you”. > It's a fair bet that if it's straightforward to trace people on opennet, > somebody will try. Fortunately this hasn't happened yet but that's not for > technical reasons. :| I think tracking the other networks (i.e. torrents) is so much easier, that they still don’t focus too much on freenet… > > But my easygoing drinking buddy „live and let live“ would be a fitting > > candidate for a freenet friend. > : > :) > > Yeah. However I would connect to (former) church contacts, if they saw > Freenet as a useful means to preserve freedom and help the persecuted > church to exchange sensitive data. Even though I disagree with them in > spectacular fashion. Of course most of them probably think Freenet is a > haven for paedophiles... Many people think that… :( On Sone I mostly see a bunch of agorismic socialiism-phobes :) (vocal, but I think not in a majority) Best wishes, Arne -- Ich hab' nichts zu verbergen – hab ich gedacht: - http://draketo.de/licht/lieder/ich-hab-nichts-zu-verbergen
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