Florent Daigni?re skrev: > * Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> [2008-12-12 00:06:31]: > > >> On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daigni?re wrote: >> >>> * Zero3 <zero3 at zerosplayground.dk> [2008-12-11 19:18:30]: >>> >>> >>>>> Disadvantages: >>>>> - Have to do some work on emu. >>>>> >>> That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why >>> installers should be auto-built nor built from emu for that matter. >>> >> I believe I and Zero3 have given several reasons: >> >> > > Right, but none of them is valid or worth considering whereas the > caveats are real. Not to mention that here we are talking about doing > additional work changing the *current behaviour* which has proven to be > working. >
I strongly disagree. I think the advantages are much greater than the disadvantages. While the current behviour "works", it's certainly not optimal. I thought this whole discussion started with Ian pointing out that our installer could be improved? >>>> ADVANTAGES: >>>> - Security: Once you have obtained the installer, somehow (over Tor, from >>>> >> a >> >>>> friend, etc etc), you can run it without needing to fetch it from the >>>> website. People in hostile environments won't accidentally fetch the wrong >>>> version of the installer over Tor and then run it and reveal themselves. >>>> >> And >> >>>> us having less idea how many people are running it is arguably an >>>> >> advantage. >> > > We do have a solution for those users: we already have an offline > installer. Here you and he are suggesting to make what is currently a > special-case the default installer on the basis that some users might > gain some security out of it. It's insane. > > The point is that most people will download/be sent the default installer (the online one), and won't even be notified before it calls home during the installation. I can't see the insane part of making sure that doesn't happen. >>>> - Performance: The actual installation should take less time to complete. >>>> > > Why? You can get a slow mirror and download slowly your bigBundle from > it... or get all the packs you need from different (possibly using > parallel sessions - we don't do that atm) equally slow mirrors. > > Bundling and compressing everything into a single file saves a lot of overhead and connection delays compared to downloading files individually. Surely you are aware of that already? >>> + removal of the website as a Single Point of Failure. >>> > > Again, we already have an offline installer. > > I'm not against improvements: I'm against unnecessary, unjustified > and probably dodgy changes. > An offline installer which is located on the SPoF... It appears to me that you are against improvements, at least if they come from me. I think both I and toad has listed several good reasons for changing some of these things. - Zero3
